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The Utter Waste Of Recycling
Toogood Reports ^ | January 19, 2003 | Alan Caruba

Posted on 01/21/2003 3:55:14 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

Twice a month I have to bundle my newspapers and take boxes with glass and plastic items down to the curb to be removed and, one assumes, recycled. This does not include the two other pickups for what is presumably just plain old garbage. I am old enough to remember when a person just threw all of this stuff into the garbage can to be taken away. It involved two less trips and a smaller bill from the "waste management" company.

Ask yourself about the utility of recycling. Glass is made from sand. The Earth is not running out of sand. Newspapers, when buried, stay intact for decades and, when burned, become mere ashes. Recycling plastic requires as much or more energy than to produce it. Its uses, however, are extraordinary, contributing to a healthier lifestyle for everyone. So, why recycle?

In 1998, it cost Americans $36 billion to get rid of 210 million tons of municipal waste. It probably costs more today. Part of that multi-billion cost is the additional element of recycling requirements. It´s not like you have a choice. New York City publishes a brochure on recycling that says bluntly "It´s the law."

There is no question that Americans produce a lot of garbage. In the past we buried or burned it, but that was before the environmentalists, Greens, began a campaign that would have us believe there was no room left for landfills, that landfills were inherently a "hazard", and that incinerators were no better because of what came out of the smokestack. All of a sudden, it became very costly to get rid of the garbage where, before, it was no big deal.

The result of the Green lies about garbage was the closing of thousands of landfills around the nation and the increased difficulty of opening new ones. One effort in New Jersey to build a new incinerator ended up a financial nightmare for investors when the courts ruled that haulers could not be compelled by law to bring the garbage to the incinerator, especially if it was cheaper to dump it somewhere else.

The problem is not that we have more garbage. The problem is we have fewer places to bury and burn it. For that you can thank the Greens. This is something to think about every time you separate your glass and plastic or bundle your newspapers, You may feel you are doing something noble for the environment, but you are paying more for that privilege and the odds are the stuff is being buried and burned just the same. The market for anything recycled often proves unprofitable because the cost of recycling does not justify itself.

One scholar, A. Clark Wiseman of Spokane´s Gonzaga University, calculated that, at the current rate of solid waste generation, the nation´s entire solid waste for the next 1,000 years could be buried in a single landfill 100 yards high and 35 miles square. We are not running out of land for landfills. We have run into the lie that they are unsafe. The truth is that landfills have been routinely converted into valuable property once filled. In California there are a number of golf courses that were former landfills. In New Jersey, there are malls and corporate campuses.

In July of last year, New York City suspended the collection of plastic and beverage cartons for a year and the collection of glass for two years. Said the Mayor, "This temporary suspension will save the City an estimated $40 million." Now do the math. If New York can save $40 million by not requiring recycling, imagine the billions that could be saved by cities and suburbs coast to coast? You could renovate every school in America with those funds.

In the end, if recycling was cost-efficient why is it necessary to pass laws to force people to separate and bundle stuff that could just as easily be tossed out with the rest of the garbage? That´s how environmentalism works. It creates a Big Lie and then sets about getting laws passed to mandate it. Years later, states, cities, communities, and just ordinary people begin to ask, "Why are we doing this?" and the answer is, "It´s the law."

It wasn´t always the law. There was a time when landfills were understood to be a perfectly sensible way to get rid of the garbage. Incinerators, too. But that was before the Greens decided recycling was a dandy way to make everyone think that throwing out the garbage was yet another "hazard", "danger", and "threat" to Mother Earth. To which I say, "That´s just garbage!"


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To: RonF
I am in the Waste Business. It's not that we are going to run out of sand or that it takes too much energy to make glass, the reason why glass recycling doesn't work is because it is CHEAPER to make it from raw materials than to recycle it. It is Market Economics. The same thing applies to landfills and recycling in general. In most places, it is CHEAPER to take it to a landfill than to recycle it. Mandatory Recycling programs interfere with the free market economics at play here. "Bottle Bills" - Those 5 or 10 cent deposit in some states and Mandatory Curbside recycling programs have interfered with the free market. In the end, the dollar wants to take the CHEAPEST path which in most cases isn't recycling.
41 posted on 01/21/2003 4:38:43 PM PST by lmr
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To: The Great RJ
Do not forget those pop tops off of soda cans that buy organs for small children. I have seen cups in cafeterias here in corporate offices in NJ. Bless them,, <---(:>}
42 posted on 01/21/2003 4:42:38 PM PST by Afronaut
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To: fogarty
So heavy parchment paper becomes newsprint which later recycled becomes paper cups, which ends up as paperboard for consumer items.

Just remember the next time you drink out of a paper cup that it used to be a newspaper in the bottom of some bird cage or lining some cat litter box. :^)

43 posted on 01/21/2003 4:45:35 PM PST by Some hope remaining.
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To: Tailgunner Joe
You may feel you are doing something noble for the environment, but you are paying more for that privilege and the odds are the stuff is being buried and burned just the same.

We just started curbside recycling in our area last year. We don't have to sort, and we are provided a large plastic container to put our recyclables in, but we have been told to rinse our cans and bottles before disposing of them! We are in the middle of a huge drought and have been asked to conserve water, yet we are supposed to wash out every soup can, spaghetti sauce jar and soda bottle before placing them in the recycle container! Guess what, tough, I don't wash them; I pay for the privilege of recycling, I'm not paying extra on my water bill too.

T

44 posted on 01/21/2003 4:45:55 PM PST by T Minus Four
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To: Belial
I don't believe that Conservatives are promoting "endless landfills" that comment is misleading regarding the intention of Conservatives. Conservatives believe in the free-market system and if Sanitation can be acheived at a landfill for low cost and proves to be cheaper than Recycling then the free-market will determine that the trash ends up where costs are the least. If Recycling is profitable then I am sure the free-market will take care of that as well. Not all recycling is this way. It actually consumes more resources, energy and labor to process some recyclables than it does to make them from raw materials. This equals a zero or negative benefit for the environment if you ask me. If your trash has any value, why do you pay companies to take it? The fact is that some day this waste may have some value, and then Capitalism would determine that we mine the landfills, but until then why mess with the free-market system to "save the earth"?
45 posted on 01/21/2003 4:49:27 PM PST by lmr
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To: fogarty
Incorrect. Paper is a material which can be profitably recycled. See my post above.

Paper can be profitably recycled in cases where the collection and sorting costs are minimal, as it typically is with "pre-consumer" waste. If a company has a ton or so of unsold magazines that can be thrown in bulk into a pulping machine [assuming the machine doesn't mind stapes] that may take a few minutes of labor and generate a buck or so of value.

Compare that situation to one of collecting newspapers from a recycling bin; that requires either having workers shake out the individual newspapers to ensure there's nothing else mixed in with them or else accepting product spoilage resulting from mixing in unsuitable stuff with the paper. Managing a ton of paper that way is apt to require man hours worth of work and thus be far less worthwhile.

46 posted on 01/21/2003 4:49:29 PM PST by supercat (TAG--you're it!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I love going to the dump and sometimes bring home more than I drop off. The things people throw away is incredible. Once I found 2 large quartersawn oak doors with all the old original brass hardware. The guys said "take 'em", I did and sold them the next day for $160.00! Now that's my idea of recycling.

Also, one of the guys that works at the recycling center/dump told me he makes $5000 a year on 5 cent bottles and cans and thats tax free.

47 posted on 01/21/2003 4:50:36 PM PST by panaxanax
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To: John H K
Arrgh.....that's the whole point. Landfills DON'T trash the environment....there's a difference between a landfill and an industrial waste site, but people lump them together.

I'll agree with you that recycling is a farce, but landfills aren't the answer either. One of the problems we're running into out here in California is "blooms" of polluted chemicals leaching out of old landfills and polluting the aquifiers below. There are MANY areas in California where residents outside of municipal water districts are forced to buy bottled water for their homes because the well water is too polluted to use for drinking and cooking...and much of this pollution stems from old landfill and burial/dumping operations. Sure, there's enough land for us to landfill for thousands of years, but if we actually required landfill operators to seal their pits against leaching, with a 150 year no-leak minimum, then the economic justification for landfilling begins to evaporate.

What we really need are more modern incineration facilities with up-to-date filtration systems.
48 posted on 01/21/2003 5:08:24 PM PST by Arthalion
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To: Belial
"I really don't understand how trashing your children's environment can be interpreted as "conservative"."

Agreed. But there appear to be different types, of environmentalism.

Like you perhaps, I was taught to respect nature. Pick up ALL trash when camping, and carry it out.

Hunting and fishing were fine, just don't overdue it, or you'll be out of luck (and fish, and game).

Smog WAS really bad in the 50s and 60s and 70s, in SoCal. But it is much better now, in my opinion. I credit that to technology, and begrudgingly to government.

I do NOT like the type of environmentalism which spikes trees, or which calls me a terrorist for owning an SUV.

As to the subject of this article, I live in a large metro area, made up of many separate cities. Some have the residents separate glass, aluminum, paper, etc.

In our town, we do NOT separate. It is claimed that takes place, once the trash is collected.

I cannot convince my wife to save the grass clippings, as compost. It is one of my conservative leanings, to wish to do so.

She is "tidy" and wants to immediately dispose of anything trashlike. Then later, when you need fertilizer for the garden, buy it at the store, in a bag.

Sidenote: If one can remember incinerators in SoCal, he/she has lived a few years. That was before 1960, I recall.

Early discoverers, said the LA basin was always covered by a layer of smoke, from all of the Indian fires, the effect of the inversion layer.

SoCal was the largest settlement of Native Americans, in the USA. Great climate for agriculture; the ocean, etc.

I believe God made things with some regenerative capability. Besides, its his deal, and not our own, anyway.

If he shorted us on dead dinosours, or bauxite, we'll have to dream up some other solution. Unless we piss him off, too much.
49 posted on 01/21/2003 5:08:25 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: antaresequity
Your garbage man friend is correct (I'm a former garbage god)except for newspaper, and cardboard. Those two types of paper are easily re-cycled and save on wood that's better put to other uses like houses, plywood, particle board products, and my favorite gunstocks. Actually about 6 years ago in Portland, OR the price of a ton of newspaper at the recycling center was up to over $100 and we actually had people driving our routes ahead of us stealing the newspaper from our customers. Plastic and glass is better off in the landfill because they're worthless.
50 posted on 01/21/2003 5:12:14 PM PST by Tailback
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To: fogarty
"IP recycles paper, and makes money producing products made with recycled paper."

And the rest of us subsidize the cost of the waste paper provided to IP, just so they can make a profit.

Net the entire process, it cost more money and is harder on the environment to recycle paper than to make it from scratch.
51 posted on 01/21/2003 5:12:39 PM PST by Pukka Puck
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To: Grampa Dave; Carry_Okie; marsh2; steelie; dalereed; farmfriend; Phil V.; budwiesest
Just in case C.O. is busy or away for a while, let me "fill you in" with "the rrrrrrest of the story."

As you may know, at the beginning of "the Gay Nineties," CA passed a law mandating a 50% reduction of waste into landfills by 1995 and 100% by 1999. Our county was one of the few to comply on time and we did it by trucking it to Laughlin, NV!!!

The law also mandated that landfills be closed and sealed with clay. We did that too, along with the mandated "reduce, re-use, recycle" recovery facilities so the "handicapped" could sort it all out.

Then we tried to contract with a firm that gets huge "tax credits" for converting the methane from our closed landfills into electricity which the county could sell to help solve the energy crisis.

The local EnvironMentalist whackos WENT NUTS!!! They sued us to stop us on... you guessed it... ENVIRONMENTAL GROUNDS!!!

There's more absurdity involved, but I'll spare you as I learned from this that "getting involved" to "make a difference" and "make the whirled a better place" is absurdly niaeve(sp?) and stupid and I wish I'd never done it!!!

Finally... The CA Waste Management Board is a bigger political plumb to get appointed to by the Governor than getting appointed to the Golden Gate Bridge District!!!

And further more... if some of you brainwashed FReepers that think that recycling anything other than aluminum cans,(which I do) is somehow worthwhile, you better start thinking for your selves instead of leaning on all the crap you learned in public high school!!! (drove my chevy to the landfill levy, etc.)

52 posted on 01/21/2003 5:15:52 PM PST by SierraWasp (Like, hey man, SHIFT_HAPPENS!!!)
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To: Arthalion
The Requirements for landfill construction are almost as strict as you prescribe here. In all honesty, the toxins found in Leachate come from things people are forbidden from putting in the trash anyway. It is illegal to throw away all kinds of chemicals in the trash, but people still do it. That is the root of the problem. Normal household garbage will not pollute the environment.
53 posted on 01/21/2003 5:27:19 PM PST by lmr
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To: SierraWasp
The thing I find funny about these environmentalist wackos is that some of the real crazies go so far as to border on wanting to reverse the technological advance of Sanitation itself. If we don't use landfills and incineration as well as recycling, we go back to the Middle Ages if you ask me.
54 posted on 01/21/2003 5:32:33 PM PST by lmr
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To: antaresequity; Tailgunner Joe; Ford Fairlane; RonF; Belial; Willie Green; Johnny Gage; John H K; ...
The following are links to articles from the Dallas Observer, our left wing excuse for chooping trees in Dallas. Dallas has had a program to encourage recycling amongst its citizens for years. Sounds like a really great idea. It is a good idea, if the fine citizens of Dallas didn't pay so much for the privilege of accomplishing so little.

lmr, I would especially appreciate any insite that you have into the matter of municipal ineptitude in recycling.

Garbage In, Garbage Out: Why Dallas' recycling program is a $17 million joke (May 16, 2002)

Trashy Questions: City auditors take a belated look at Dallas' recycling program (June 6, 2002)

Recycling Works (July 7, 2002)

Letters to the Editor:

New life for newsprint: I am writing regarding the article "Garbage In, Garbage Out" in the May 16 edition of the Dallas Observer. You stated in the article, "The city's curbside recycling program is a waste of time and money." While we don't argue that recovering recyclable material and reusing it in industry can be expensive, it is important to remember that recycling is about much more than saving landfill space. According to EPA studies, recycling saves more natural resources and prevents pollution. In fact, by 2005, recycling will reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 48 million tons, the equivalent of the amount emitted by 36 million cars annually.

What you discussed in your article does not represent the range of thinking on recycling. According to the American Forest and Paper Association, 84 percent of all Americans are recycling used paper at curbside and recycling drop-off sites. Each and every day, Americans recover for reuse and recycling about 247 million pounds of paper. That means nearly 45 percent of all the paper Americans now use is recovered for recycling.

Abitibi-Consolidated is the largest recycler of old newspaper and magazines in North America. Our mill in Sheldon, Texas, manufactures 100 percent recycled newsprint that is used by The Dallas Morning News, the Houston Chronicle and many others. The Sheldon mill consumes 80 percent of the old newspapers and magazines recycled in the state of Texas. The newspapers the residents of Dallas put at the curb each week don't go to waste...we use them. Our business depends on recycling programs like the one in Dallas.

With the simple act of recycling every day, you provide jobs, reduce air emissions, save energy and supply valuable raw materials for Texas businesses. All of this helps to ensure the health of our planet and the community's future generations.

Frank Killoran
Area Manager,
Abitibi-Consolidated, Recycling Division
Arlington

Cash for Trash: The city's new recycling center is up and running, sort of (Nov 11, 2002)

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And now, thanks to the miracle of electronic archives, let's peek at the columns written by none other than, our current Dallas mayor and former leftie columnist, Ms. Laura Miller Wolens:

As mayor, she now says...

Smells Funny: So the mayor thinks the recycling program is trash? Hate to say we told you so. (Aug 8, 2002)

"I think that if you spend $2 million, you ought to get more than 4 percent of your trash recycled for that kind of money," Miller says. "We have an inefficient recycling program that unfortunately hasn't been very successful in terms of the amount of tonnage that we are recycling."

Why just a few years ago, she commented...

Spouting rubbish: Dallas has run out of recycling excuses, by Laura Miller (Nov 30, 1995)

....That's ridiculous (says Laura). We could do recycling citywide tomorrow morning if we wanted to. LuAnn Anderson says it would cost $1 million that we don't have, but that's a fiction, too. If recycling were so expensive and burdensome, the private sector wouldn't do it at all. But Waste Management of Dallas, the giant garbage-collection company, just opened a huge recycling facility in West Dallas called Recycle America....

No doubt that the issues is much more complicated than it may seem at first glance, but the dollar does indeed flow as efficiently as possible to its destination, excepting government intervention.

55 posted on 01/21/2003 5:37:35 PM PST by texas booster (Wow! Could I fit an entire article in just taglines?)
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To: lmr
"we go back to the Middle Ages if you ask me."

You mean the "Born Again Pagans" of the DARK AGES, don't you?

56 posted on 01/21/2003 5:50:11 PM PST by SierraWasp (Like, hey man, SHIFT_HAPPENS!!!)
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To: antaresequity
A friend of mine who is a senior environmental engineer at a utility company puts the number that goes to the landfill at 92%. He said that it is nothing but a sop to the greenies.
57 posted on 01/21/2003 5:54:20 PM PST by VMI70
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Great Post!
58 posted on 01/21/2003 6:03:04 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Tag Line Service Center: FREE Tag Line with Every Monthly Donation to FR. Get Yours. Inquire Within)
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To: Tailgunner Joe; CheneyChick; vikingchick; Victoria Delsoul; WIMom; one_particular_harbour; ...
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59 posted on 01/21/2003 6:10:31 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Couldn't agree more. Can we just go back to having one garbage can for everything, please?
60 posted on 01/21/2003 6:25:43 PM PST by The Great Satan
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