Man as old as Coal? (Why are the test results dismissed without reason?)

Ed Conrad web site ^ | VARIOUS - FR post 1-15-03 | Ed Conrad

[vannrox]

THis is a good read. I personally believe that man kind, or other creates like man have been around far longer than a mere 7000 years. This is an interesting read. Of course it flies in the face of established studies so it's a hot potatoe that is easier to dismiss than explain.

[PaulJ]

Check this rock out, and nobody ever tested it to see if it was real, either. A conspiracy!

[SandfleaCSC]

That skull looked more like a large hominid skull from a species other than sapiens. I doubt it is human, but if its even just a large ape from 280 million years ago, that's enough to set modern day anthros' timetable on it's head.

[JohnnyZ]

Humans are descended from Rabbits!!!

Rabbits with currency, no less!

[gnarledmaw]

This must be a hoax. I briefly showed this to a paleontologist friend of mine and he says that >7,000 years ago people only smoked Pall Mall and Lucky Strikes...

[tet68]

I have it on good authority that Pall Malls are part of a healthy well balanced breakfast for blacksmiths.

From the teachings of Clifton Ralph.

[gnarledmaw]

Interesting. I like Pall Malls, Im interestested in blacksmithing and Im looking for a career change....

Dont laugh. Have you heard how much a good blacksmith can make?

[Jumpmaster]

"... but if its even just a large ape from 280 million years ago, that's enough to set modern day anthros' timetable on it's head."

...not to mention their grant money.

[Lael]

Thanks for the post. You see that in other fields, like Archeology.

It is a shame...I agree with one of the other replies that it looks more ape like, yet it would still upset the "scientific" apple cart...much like those Dinosaur foot prints mingled with Humanoid ones in that riverbed in Texas.

[Dog Gone]

Does the author actually expect us to believe that someone still smokes Lark cigarettes today?

[genefromjersey]

I was told something ( second or third-hand ) several years ago about "humanoid" remains being found inside coal strata by a knowledgeable mining engineer , in Pennsylvania. The "remains" were called to the attention of the Pit Boss, who ordered them destroyed; because reporting them would have brought hordes of scientists to the scene, and resulted in the shut-down of the mine by the state.

My informant reported the "remains" were "not quite human-looking", and were of varying sizes, suggesting a family grouping.

As you can well imagine, this sort of "report" is merely intriguing, as there is no way of verifying it, or of establishing the credibility of the original source.

[Dan Day]

Typical crank behavior.

His "best" evidence to date is:

1. "Looks sort of like a skull to me".

2. "An expert said this piece of another rock was shaped like a tooth".

3. "Bones have little holes, so does this rock, I saw them myself, so there."

Based on this, he's *sure* he has something that'll revolutionize science, but The Man is keeping him down, so he spends the next several *years* beating the same dead horse.

Hell, he apparently hasn't even had his rock(s) dated. Depending on the nature of the strata there, there's no guarantee that rocks found near/on a coal seam of a given age actually originated *in* the coal seam. They may have been deposited there by glacier during the last ice age, for example. From the photos, it looks like he's finding his specimens in *surface* rocks, which could have originated at any date and been deposited on the open coal seam at any time.

Real scientists take the time to cross their t's and dot their i's. This guy just keeps waving his rocks around and yells about the conspiracy to hid his "discoveries."

Crank.

[Eric in the Ozarks]

Anthacite coal seams are rarely horizontal. Because of their age and the mountain building process (plate tectonics) these seams can actually form a "U" shape with outcrops of the same seam identifiable in the same general acreage. Its a known fact that early man made use of coal where he found it. The voids made a convenient place for burials and other storage.

[PatrickHenry]

This seems like an appropriate thread for pics of crop circles:

[Right Wing Professor]

Don't see any human skulls there. However, the thing in the picture with the dollar bills is clearly a giant rabbit, of the species Bugsbunnius giganteus, and it's not unlikely it is being pursued by an Elmerfuddius.

[Boot Hill]

Hey, PatrickHenry, everyone knows that crop circles are bogus. But now contrails, thems the real thing...

By the way, did you notice how Ed Conrad overlooked the most important find in all those rocks? You mean you didn't notice all those petrified remains of Lark cigarette packages?

--Boot Hill

[longshadow]

"medved," the seven-time banned ex-Freeper, used to tout Ed Conrad's amazing discoveries before he left FR due to illness: the management got sick of him.

Now, that doesn't prove that Ed Conrad's claims are bogus, but keep in mind that "medved" ALSO touted Velikovskian catastrophism, Saturn hovering over the Earth's North Pole reducing the "felt effect of gravity," Venus being spit out of Jupiter within the past several thousand years, psychic pets, and a Lyndon Larouche-like theory about Great Britain, the East India company, and drug trafficking in the 18th Century, to name but a few of his favs.

That he would also tout Conrad's work doesn't exactly bode well for Conrad.

[Physicist]

I knew this stuff would eventually make its way onto FR. It was only a matter of time.

Junior, do you have links to this stuff in the crackpot section of your Ultimate Resource? You should.

[Dan Day]

Ah, here we go.

This is an independent analysis of some of Condrad's specimens, by Andrew MacRae, a paleontologist with the University of Calgary's Department of Geology.

Short summary of his conclusions -- they're rocks, not bones (fossilized or otherwise).

Here's a side-by-side comparison of one of Conrad's specimens, and an actual dinosaur bone, at the same 128x magnification:

The difference in structure should be obvious to all.

Even Dr. Kurt Wise, a well known young-Earth creationist geologist (!) wrote a letter to the editor of a journal declaring his professional opinion that Conrad's specimens are just rocks, not bones.

[socal_parrot]

Man as old as Coal?

If they find one, the Dems will surely run him for something.