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To: B-Chan
"When God became Man, he did so by being born of a mother -- the Mother of God...In each case the vessel [Mary] is inhabited by special Divine Grace that sets them apart from other, impure vessels. "

I am not saying that Mary wasn't "special" -- she was. But she indeed was THE vessel (however clinical the word) of which the Son of Man was born, and no she wasn't "perfect" or sinless -- even at that time.

Moreover, every "special" person chosen by the Holy Spirit was a mere human -- subject to sinful nature of man, thus needing the blood of Christ to cleanse them including such luminaries as: Mary, Paul, Peter, and every Apostle and Saint you can think of...

"..To deny the Creed is to deny the Christian Faith."

"Christian Faith" OR Catholic Church??

96 posted on 01/21/2003 8:34:47 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: F16Fighter
I am not saying that Mary wasn't "special" -- she was.

Indeed; she was chosen by God to serve as the mother of His Son, and thus became the Mother of God, mother of the Church, and mother of all mankind.

And Mary said, "My soul magnifies the Lord, and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,
for he has regarded the low estate of his handmaiden.

For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed;
for he who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is his name.

And his mercy is on those who fear him from generation to generation.

He has shown strength with his arm, he has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts, he has put down the mighty from their thrones, and exalted those of low degree; he has filled the hungry with good things, and the rich he has sent empty away.

He has helped his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy, as he spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to his posterity for ever. [Luke 1:46-55]"

But she indeed was THE vessel (however clinical the word) of which the Son of Man was born, and no she wasn't "perfect" or sinless -- even at that time.

How do you know that?

Moreover, every "special" person chosen by the Holy Spirit was a mere human -- subject to sinful nature of man, thus needing the blood of Christ to cleanse them including such luminaries as: Mary, Paul, Peter, and every Apostle and Saint you can think of...

Our Lady was saved by her Son, but in a special way -- from the moment of her own Immaculate Conception.

The dogma [of the Immacularte Conception of Mary] is especially fitting when one examines the honor that was given to the ark of the covenant. It contained the manna (bread from heaven), stone tablets of the ten commandments (the word of God), and the staff of Aaron (a symbol of Israel’s high priesthood). Because of its contents, it was made of incorruptible wood, and Psalm 132:8 said, "Arise, O Lord, and go to thy resting place, thou and the ark of thy might." If this vessel was given such honor, how much more should Mary be kept from corruption, since she is the new ark—who carried the real bread from Heaven, the Word of God, and the high priest of the New Covenant, Jesus Christ. Some argue that the new ark is not Mary, but the body of Jesus. Even if this were the case, it is worth noting that 1 Chronicles 15:14 records that the persons who bore the ark were to be sanctified. There would be no sense in sanctifying men who carried a box, and not sanctifying the womb who carried God himself! After all, wisdom will not dwell "in a body under debt of sin" (Wis. 1:4 NAB). [source]
"..To deny the Creed is to deny the Christian Faith."
"Christian Faith" OR Catholic Church?

The Creed defines the Faith. Reject the Creed, reject the Faith.

103 posted on 01/21/2003 9:10:34 AM PST by B-Chan (May Our Lady of Lourdes intercede for you!)
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