Samantha Smith predicted it - now it's official: 'In Gaia We Trust'

http://www.raidersnewsupdate.com/gaia.htm ^ | January 17, 2003 | Thomas Horn

[B-Chan]

How does this jive with God being the alpha and omega?

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." [ John 1:1]

And are we just playing a word game here?

Salvation is no game to me.

What would the implications on salvation be in light of Mary being the mother of God?

The implications go to the heart of Christian belief. To be a Christian, one must believe that Jesus was 100% God. Since Our Lady the Blessed Virgin Mary is the mother of Jesus, then one must necessarily believe that the Blessed Virgin Mary is the Mother of God. To deny that Our Lady is the Mother of God is to deny that Jesus is God, and to deny that Jesus is God is to damn oneself to Hell.

[B-Chan]

The Queen of Heaven, if you check in most any commentary, is none other than Ishtar, Ashtoreth, or Astarte the very pagan goddess that Israel worshipped when they fell into apostasy and paganism-

Who says these commentaries are correct?

Astarte was called "the queen of heaven" by the Canaanite pagans. The Blessed Virgin Mary is the true Queen of Heaven, as revealed to the Church by the true God. Darius and Xerxes were each called "King of Kings" by the Persians. Jesus Christ is the only King of Kings as proved by His Resurrection. To say that Astarte = Mary just because they were both called "queen of heaven" is the same as saying that Christians really worship Xerxes because he was called "the King of Kings".

[PFKEY]

I appreciate the reply but I only see some kind of circular logic here.

I believe in the trinity.

I believe Mary gave birth to Jesus who is the son of God.

So, now what?

And I am being serious when I ask now what. I don't see any implication here. I understand that Catholics believe her to be a perpetual virgin if I'm saying that correctly. And as I stated above I believe that Jesus is God in that he is part of the Trinity. Mary was his mother and.....what am I missing?

[B-Chan]

If God always was, how then could Mary be the "Mother of God"?

God does not inhabit linear time. All time is Now to God. When God became Man, he did so by being born of a mother -- the Mother of God -- and, like all humans, He experienced linear time. But He was not bound by linear time; He inhabits the eternal Now in the present tense. As Our Lord Himself said, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am" [John 8:58].

BTW, with all due respect to Mary, she in fact was the human vessel that birthed the human Son of God in his form as man, Jesus Christ.

Saying that the Blessed Virgin was merely a vessel that bore the Word of God is like saying the Ark of the Covenant was merely a box used to carry a couple of tablets around. In each case the vessel is inhabited by special Divine Grace that sets them apart from other, impure vessels.

And God did not take the form of man; God became Man, in the Person of Jesus Christ. To deny that Christ came down from Heaven by the Power of the Holy Spirit, became incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and was made Man is to deny the Creed -- and to deny the Creed is to deny the Christian Faith.

[A.J.Armitage]

1. Our Lady, the Blessed Virgin Mary is the mother of Jesus;
2. Jesus is 100% God;
3. Therefore, Our Lady, the Blessed Virgin Mary is the mother of God.

God is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
Jesus is the Son.
Mary is the Mother of Jesus.
Therefore, Mary is the mother of the Son.
But not the other Persons of the Trinity.

[B-Chan]

Mary sleeps.

Where is that in the Bible?

Only Christ listens from Heaven.

Where is that in the Bible?

Pray only to the Father in His name. To believe anything else is to risk His wrath.

With all due respect: sez you.

[B-Chan]

God is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
Jesus is the Son.
Mary is the Mother of Jesus.
Therefore, Mary is the mother of the Son. But not the other Persons of the Trinity.

Jesus is not 33% God. He is 100% God. To believe that Jesus is only one-third of God is to be a polytheist.

God is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
Jesus is the Son.
Therefore, Jesus is God.

Mary is the Mother of Jesus.
Jesus is God.
Therefore, Mary is the Mother of God.

[PFKEY]

Jesus is not 33% God.

Can God only be one aspect of the Father, the Son or the Holy Spirit at a time?

When Jesus was here on earth who did he pray to?

When the voice from Heaven spoke saying this is my Son in whom I am well pleased who was speaking?

I'm confused, sorry.

[A.J.Armitage]

Jesus is not 33% God. He is 100% God. To believe that Jesus is only one-third of God is to be a polytheist.

With all due respect, you've let your fervor on this one point lead you into saying something more fitting for a Oneness Pentecostal or a Modalist than for an orthodox Trinitarian.

[B-Chan]

Can God only be one aspect of the Father, the Son or the Holy Spirit at a time?

No. As Christians we must believe that Jesus Christ is "of one Being with the Father" whence proceeds the Holy Spirit.

When Jesus was here on earth who did he pray to?

The Father, with Whom He is eternally One.

When the voice from Heaven spoke saying this is my Son in whom I am well pleased who was speaking?

The Father, of Whom He is eternally begotten.

I'm confused, sorry.

Don't apologize; we're all confused about the Trinity. As God, the Trinity is beyond the capacity of human reason to understand; The Catechism of the Catholic Church puts it this way:

"The Trinity is a mystery of faith in the strict sense, one of the 'mysteries that are hidden in God, which can never be known unless they are revealed by God'... To be sure, God has left traces of his Trinitarian being in his work of creation and in his Revelation throughout the Old Testament. But his inmost Being as Holy Trinity is a mystery that is inaccessible to reason alone or even to Israel's faith before the Incarnation of God's Son and the sending of the Holy Spirit." [CCC, 237]

As Christians, we are not called to understand the Holy Trinity; we are called to accept It by Faith. Please pray for the strengthening of my faith, as I will pray for you.

[B-Chan]

Nope. I'm saying that Jesus is 100% God, and that the Father is 100% God, and that the Holy Spirit is 100% God, all at the same time. I believe in the orthodox Trinity.

[PFKEY]

Please pray for the strengthening of my faith, as I will pray for you.

Will do friend. Thanks!

[Revelation 911]

Having been in Pentecostal churches, I can testify that a great deal of what passes for "drunk on the Spirit" "slain by the Spirit" etc. is nothing more than a mass of pew jumping babble meant to look like the real thing.

Youre paging me here why?

[Revelation 911]

have you two finished "testing" that spirit ?

[Revelation 911]

Nope. No snakes. Must have snakes...

LOL

[xzins]

Corin, YOU are posting to CCW????

I imagine the end of the age is upon us..... :>)

[xzins]

Sure.

Change everything to "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved."

But then you'd have Christianity, wouldn't you.

I suppose that Paul kicked the Corinthians out of all Christendom when he saw them conducting their understanding of gifts incorrectly? Remember, woodmeister....I don't even attempt to read "long" responses.

[biblewonk]

I've heard of an assembly of god ritual where everyone gets in a circle and they place someone in the center and channel energy toward them. But it's prayer energy or some slop like that. I have a great article from the Rutheford(sp) Foundation called Witches in the Mainstream. It's about a bunch of women from presbyterian and catholic churches "Re imagining God". It's been in "Christianity" quite a while.

[aruanan]

"I got the impression that instead of going out to shoot birds, I should go out and shoot the kids who shoot birds." Paul Watson, founder of Greenpeace (quoted in Access to Energy, vol. 10, no. 4, Dec. 1982)

Back in the late 60's there was a woman (in her early 60's) in our church who was all ga-ga about preservation/conservation/animals. She wanted everyone to call her Aunt Frannie. She "loved" birds and squirrels, etc., etc.. She told us that she saw some elementary school age boy shooting a BB gun at her precious birds so she hired a high school boy to beat him up. She was as big a nut case as any other of these man-is-evil environmentalists. If man is a problem, then perhaps they can do their part to save the planet by committing mass suicide. I think that would be quite a good message to send to the rest of humanity and give us something to ponder deeply about.

[Jerry_M]

While the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is essential in order to be a Christian (Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. - Romans 8:9b), the gifts of the Spirit are not presented to us ala carte ("I think I will have one helping of prophecy, another of discernment, and a big heaping helping of mercy").

And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ - Ephesians 4:11,12