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To: Dan Day
It's abundantly evident from your response to my post that you have a serious problem with misrepresentation. I am therefore going to repost it as a rebuttal to your diatribe and so the lurkers can judge for themselves.

The following comes directly from Evolution of the Eye by John Stear.

The complete quote by Darwin is from The Origin of the Species(Chapter 6 under the heading "Organs of extreme perfection"). The ... second paragraph [below] is the part [creationists] omit.

"Yet reason tells me, that if (SPECULATION) numerous gradations from a perfect and complex eye to one very imperfect and simple, each grade being useful to its possessor (IMMENSE SPECULATION), can be shown to exist; if further, (SPECULATION) the eye does vary ever so slightly, and (COMPOUND SPECULATION) the variations be inherited, which is certainly the case; (ASSUMED, NOT SHOWN) and if (MORE SPECULATION) any variation or modification in the organ be ever useful to an animal under changing conditions of life, then the difficulty of believing that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by natural selection, though insuperable by our imagination, can hardly be considered real. (WHOLLY UNWARRANTED CONCLUSION BASED WHOLLY UPON SPECULATION). How a nerve comes to be sensitive to light, hardly concerns us more than how life itself first originated; but I may remark that several facts make me suspect that any sensitive nerve may be rendered sensitive to light, and likewise to those coarser vibrations of the air which produce sound."

This supposedly stunning "proof" of the evolution of the eye, so stunning that "creationists" would pointedly omit it, has been (ANALYSED) by me and it establishes only that Darwin was a Sophist, not that the eye evolved. But we know this already, don't we?

There follows an except from Gertrude Himmelfarb's Darwin and the Darwinian Revolution, Copyright 1959, Doubleday. The Times Literary Supplement had this to say about the work:

A thorough and masterly book punctuated with a delicate sense of humor ... Until he has read, marked, learnt and inwardly digested this authoritative volume, no one should presume henceforth to speak on Darwin and Darwinism.

hmmm...

We begin at page 333 of the Elephant Paperback edition published in 1996:

"...For his essential method was neither observing nor the more prosaic mode of scientific reasoning, but a peculiarly imaginative, inventive mode of argument.

"In was this that Whewell objected to in the Origin:

For it is assumed that the mere possibility of imagining a series of steps of transition from one condition of organs to another, is to be accepted as a reason for believing that such transition has taken place. And next, that such a possibility being thus imagined, we may assume an unlimited number of generations for the transition to take place in, and that this indefinite time may extinguish all doubt that the transitions really have taken place.

"What Darwin was doing, in effect, was creating a 'logic of possibility'. Unlike conventional logic, where the compound of possibilities results not in a greater possibility, or probability, but in a lesser one, the logic of the Origin was one in which possibilities were assumed to add up to probability.

"Like many revolutionaries, Darwin embarked upon this revolutionary enterprise in the most innocent and reasonable spirit. He started out by granting the hypothetical nature of the theory and went on to defend the use of hypotheses in science, such hypotheses being justified if they explained a sufficiently large number of facts. His own theory, he continued, was 'rendered in some degree probable' by one set of facts and could be tested and confirmed by another -- among which he included the geological succession of organic beings. It was because it 'explained' both of these bodies of facts that it was removed from the status of mere hypothesis and elevated to the rank of 'well-grounded theory'. This procedure, by which one of the major difficulties of the theory was made to bear witness in its favor, can only be accounted for by a confusion in the meaning of 'explain' -- between the sense in which facts are 'explained' by a theory and the sense in which difficulties may be 'explained away'. It is the difference between compliant facts which lend themselves to the theory and refractory ones which do not and can only be brought into submission by a more or less plausible excuse. By confounding the two, both orders of explanation, both orders of fact, were entered on the same side of the ledger, the credit side. Thus the 'difficulties' he had so candidly confessed to were converted into assets.

"This technique for the conversion of possibilities into probabilities and liabilities into assets was the more effective the longer the process went on. In the chapter entitled 'Difficulties on Theory' the solution of each difficulty in turn came more easily to Darwin as he triumphed over -- not simply disposed of -- the preceding one. The reader was put under a constantly mounting obligation; if he accepted one explanation, he was committed to accept the next. Having first agreed to the theory in cases where only some of the transitional stages were missing, the reader was expected to acquiesce in those cases where most of the stages were missing, and finally in those where there was no evidence of stages at all. Thus, by the time of the problem of the eye was under consideration, Darwin was insisting that anyone who had come with him so far could not rightly hesitate to go further. In the same spirit, he rebuked those naturalists who held that while some reputed species were varieties rather than real species, other species were real. Only the 'blindness of preconceived opinion', he held, could make them balk at going the whole way -- as if it was not precisely the propriety of going the whole way that was at issue.

"As possibilities were promoted into probabilities, and the probabilities into certainty, so ignorance itself was raised to a position only once removed from certain knowledge. When imagination exhausted itself and Darwin could devise no hypothesis to explain away a difficulty, he resorted to the blanket assurance that we were too ignorant of the ways of nature to know why one event occurred rathar than another, and hence ignorant of the explanation that would reconcile the facts to his theory..." And so on ...

Darwin was a masterly Sophist and Evolution was a gleam in his eye, but that is all.

112 posted on 01/22/2003 5:58:57 PM PST by Phaedrus
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To: Phaedrus
It's abundantly evident from your response to my post that you have a serious problem with misrepresentation. I am therefore going to repost it as a rebuttal to your diatribe and so the lurkers can judge for themselves.

...like they couldn't just scroll back a few messages? You had to just dump it back on us again as if it gained something through sheer repetition?

I think I made the Phaedrus-bot blow a fuse, sorry.

Shrug. Well, here's my rebuttal again then, and I didn't even need to waste bandwidth by reposting it.

According to my Webster's Collegiate dictionary:

Phae-drus (fee'druhs, fed'ruhs) n.
1. fl. A. D. c40, Roman writer of fables.
Fascinating.
113 posted on 01/22/2003 6:19:12 PM PST by Dan Day
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To: Phaedrus; Dan Day
How a nerve comes to be sensitive to light, hardly concerns us more than how life itself first originated;-Darwin, "On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life"

Facts? What facts? Who needs facts? We got BS, that's all that's needed according to Darwin.
... And some people call this garbage science!

154 posted on 01/26/2003 8:04:19 PM PST by gore3000
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