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To: tdadams
You are wrongo on rights. Right-y-o?

Here's why ... We the People granted government certain defined and enumerated powers. WE did not give up our rights. The Ninth and Tenth amendments explicitly recognize this, but in fact, they are not necessary ... the clear "legislative history" of the federal charter -- the Constitution -- make that clear, even before the Bill of Rights.

Copyright and Patent are a power we granted government. Yes, I know, the term "right" in the word "copyright" is a point of some confusion, but in all honesty it would be "copygrant" rather than "copyright". We, the People, grant via our agent, the Federal Government, and establish by that grant, a temporary sole right of copying. I still am, WE still are, the owner and originator of that right to copy. We temporarily allow it to be leased, to be borrowed, to be given, to be granted, for value WE receive back.

That is I have the absolute right to copy anything. Temporarily I have agreed not to do so, for those things I have granted a grant known as a "copyright". I have done so, WE have done so -- inherited as an obligation from the generation of the Founding -- via agency, the Federal government acted as my agent.

However, not every act of an agent has to be honored -- if the agent has not acted in my interests -- OUR interests -- but has entered into some conspriracy to harm my interest with those that agent has contracted to on my behalf, to the harm of my behalf, why I do not have honor that contract, and should not to be an ethical person, to the extent I have the practical power to do so.

There are four branches of US Government: The Legislative, the Executive, the Judicial, and finally -- the People.

In a battle with a rogue agent, where that rogue agent includes the Courts and Police, well, practical people can not go head-to-head, yet remedies must be achieved, or corruption takes over everything.

83 posted on 01/21/2003 11:38:17 AM PST by bvw
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To: bvw
I still am, WE still are, the owner and originator of that right to copy.

The collective we have already rendered a decision in that matter and decided to provide a creator with the current copyright law. Your lengthy missive rationalizing theft notwithstanding, the law is the law.

You are not free to disregard the laws that the legislature has passed and the courts have upheld simply because you have a philosophical difference with it, not to mention an unjust monetary gain (yes, when you receive goods of value, and they're not freely given, you are receiving stolen property, a monetary gain).

As much as you'd like to assuage your guilt with sophistry and dubious logic, you're wrong. Make this argument of your in court and you'd get thrown out.

84 posted on 01/21/2003 11:51:02 AM PST by tdadams
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To: bvw
I have the absolute right to copy anything. Temporarily I have agreed not to do so, for those things I have granted a grant known as a "copyright".

There is a difference between a right and an ability. You have the ability to copy anything but you do not have the right. Look it up, 17 U.S.C. - the Copyright law, says that for a period of the life of the author plus 50-95 years (depending on circumstance), the creator has the exclusive right to copy, not you.

You also have the ability to break into your neighbor's home and live as a squatter, but hopefully you're also agreed not to do so. Just because you've agreed not to do so doesn't mean you have any inherent right to do so if you so choose. You don't. It's against the law. It's not a matter of your choice. You violate the law and you'll pay the penalty.

There are four branches of US Government: The Legislative, the Executive, the Judicial, and finally -- the People.

That might come as a surprise to all those civics professors out there who for 214 years now have been teaching that our government has only three branches. You might want to start a campaign to re-educate them in civics as you see it. Good luck.

87 posted on 01/21/2003 12:00:51 PM PST by tdadams
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