What about you? Have you? No, you just blatter around a name and tell people to go look there or here. What is the gosh damn issue with Maskirova, will you tell us????????? Okay, line by line.
"What about you? Have you?"
I assume you're are referring to my statement that neither you nor BM have addressed the issue of Native Americans pretending to be defeated. Since I brought this up in the first place in post 51 to BM, I would say yes, I have addressed it. Here's a clue- the Indians are defeated- my suggestion that they are not is a joke, an example of an absurd conspiracy theory...much like this thread.
"you just blatter around a name and tell people to go look there or here."
I don't speak idiot, so I'm not sure I can translate this, but I think the name you're referring to is lyndon larouche, and perhaps "look here and there" refers to my inviting BM to check out "21st Century Technology", a magazine published under larouche's direction.
Lyndon Larouche is a former socailist/nutball, who is now...just a nutball. He was fond of conpsiracy theories like "Queen Elizabeth started the Beatles to undermine American and get us hooked up dope, the production and sale of which she controls.
What is the gosh damn issue with Maskirova, will you tell us?????????
Okay, my fault. The word is actually spelled "Maskirovka"- I left out a "k".
From a thirty second Google search:
"Maskirovka is actually a very broad concept that encompasses many English terms. These include: camouflage, concealment, deception, imitation, disinformation, secrecy, security, feints, diversions, and simulation. While terms overlap to a great extent, a complication is that the Russian term is greater than the sum of these English terms. Thus, those in the West should attempt to grasp the entire concept rather than its components. This concept, because of the Soviet "mind-set," permeates the entire nation. It is practiced throughout Soviet society and is not just a military term. It is a part of published Soviet data and figures as they relate to the economy, agricultural, or industrial production."
In other words, operations similar to the ones you and BM and others suggest has been going on ever since Perestroika. The idea is that the Soviets practiced deception as a matter of course- maps, production figures, weather data, all were falsified in order to mislead the enemy. Although the article at the beginning of the thread doesn't used the term, what the author is suggesting is that the collapse of the CCCP is actually a Maskirovka (masquerade) operation.
Hope that helped.
Lyndon Larouche is an Anglophobic idiot. Clue - I am as far from Larouche's perpective as one could ever imagine. So before you prattle on, learn more about the topic of this thread. BTW - Chris Story is a jolly old Londoner. Got it?
Well, excuse me for missing the forest for the all the trees.
A few definitions:
Masquerade is actually maskarad, whereas maskirovka, markirovanie are closer to camouflage. Obman and lozh' mean deception, pokazukha is a charade. And of course, don't forget dezinformatisya, misinformation. Russian is such a pretty language ;-)
I wrote a paper for Intel Threat and Analysis Center (AIA) on maskirovka, and unfortunately used all the definitions you and Yahoo listed. Got an AAM but got it wrong.
Twenty years later I went drinking with a retired colonel from KGB/FSB, who asked me what I knew about maskirovka (he kept calling it maskirovochka) I gave him the Yahoo definition and he laughed. His definition (perhaps, dezinformatsiya?) was that maskirovochka is basic tactical counter-espionage, such as wearing the wrong shoulderboards or changing a pilot billet suffix or radio callsign. Strategic deception, at least in his definition, was just that, strategiya. Second nature to a people that grew up more with Chess than Checkers.
I suppose for his "crimes against humanity" I should have made him buy the vodka and snacks. Likewise, those evil Red Army stars should be cast into the smelter, but to most they are symbols of the triumph of the Russian people over fascism. When I asked a Ukrainian lady why they keep up all the Lenin statues in the Donbas region, she said "because it's our history."
And I still remain optimistic about Eastern Europe. More so than the Western side.