[Cultural Jihad]

will continue merrily along trying to impose their ways and preferences on us when all we want is to left alone.

We ALL impose our values upon others, all the time, even you. If you want to be left alone, there are a few islands for sale on eBay, I hear.

[APBaer]

We ALL impose our values upon others, all the time"

Well isn't *THAT* special.

[metesky]

You're wrong as usual. What most of us do is make value judgements, decisions that tell us whether we want to do something or associate with someone, we do not attempt to impose our values and opinions on others.

I can see from your posts however that you do try to impose, to force your values and opinions on others.

[jlogajan]

We ALL impose our values upon others, all the time, even you.

Do we? Does a defender impose his "values" on an attacker by defending against the attack? Isn't that an argument from moral equivalence?

If you can see a moral difference between aggression and defense, then your forumula is too simple because it leaves out the most important bit.

An aggressor is trying to impose his values on his victim, theft, murder, whatever. The victim fights back and imposes his own value, self-survival, against the attacker's wishes.

According to you, these are moral equivalents -- both imposition of values.

But anyone else can see that it matters which one is acting in self-defense and which one is acting as aggressor.

Libertarianism is about acts in self-defense. Big government is about acts of aggression in pursuit of social engineering.

[philman_36]

If you want to be left alone, there are a few islands for sale on eBay, I hear.
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