Israel to kill on U.S., allies'' soil

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[Steve Eisenberg]

I can't believe that there is so much support for these unconstitutional killings on a "conservative" website.

Agreed. But I also can't believe people are buying into this ridiculous news article. Don't people know that managing the relationship between Israel and the United States is almost job #1 for an Israeli prime minister, and that carrying out an assasination on US soil would be the obvious of all mistakes?

Most reporters using anonymous sources consider themselves lucky to find two sources saying the same thing. How likely it is that SIX misbehaving U.S. officials told this reporter, one Richard Sale, the same story regarding Israel being about to commit these truly distardly deeds? Did Sale somehow get a CIA phone book and start calling anyone with a Moslem-sounding name? Beats me, but this story is nonsense.

[Nix 2]

"It strikes me as extremely unlikely that a real Mossad agent would actually be foolish enough to accept such an invitation on a public chat board."

A while ago, I would have said it was extremely unlikely to find many of the things that are being said on public chat boards. But these boards are the last bastions of freewheeling, *anonymous*, hate-filled, brain-warped mega-idiots to write of their deepest fears and attach them to threats against you, against me, against yo mama. Get real, man.

Did ya read the threats that the *peace* crowd have made against our Veterans? Do you think yhere will be no response if any of it is attempted? Do you believe that those here who send aid and comfort to Hamas and Hizbullah and/or every other terror group in the world who murder Americans right along with Christians and Israelis aren't enemies of the entire world?

If the US has the right to go after the murderers of Americans in Israel, turnabout is the ultimate in fair play. KNOWN terrorists. Not who some nutball whacko says MIGHT be a terrorist.

If you think any of these things, think again. Iran has murdered ITS nationals who it targetted. So has Iraq. Iraq is still doing it and so is Al Qaeda. Never mind the Nazi swill.

[Nix 2]

That wouldn't surprise me very much. It's still mostly clintonista stacked. Nothing would please clinton more than the death of Israel. Nothing would please the Islamists more than ginning up even more Jew-hatred. Sucks.

[Steve Eisenberg]

Israel is embarking upon a more aggressive approach to the war on terror that will include staging targeted killings in the United States and other friendly countries, former Israeli intelligence officials told United Press International.

For Israel to send agents to America to murder people is the most insane possible move it could make. The whole idea is nothing more than the fantasy of anti-Israel fanatics, since there is nothing Israel could do that would be more self-destructive. If these former Israeli intelligence agents exist, which I rather doubt, Israel should arrest them (but not in the US!) and charge them with well-deserved treason. But more likely the interviews are made up or wildly distored.

Folks, we are talking here about Ariel Sharon, a man who anti-Israel types say is an extremist, but actually is quite middle-of-the-road. His reelection platform is that he want to govern in a coalition with the dovish Labor party. How would he do this while carrying out extreme policies like this? Ridiculous.

He has put Israel's relationship with Washington at the top of his political agenda in his 20 months as prime minister. And now he's going to throw it all away just to get rid of one or two third level terrorists? After all, the US would love to help arrest any first rate terrorist on our soil. Folks, think!

[ExSoldier]

We are probably sharing intel, but the Israelis wouldn't let us or anybody near their operators. Different training, equipment, priorities, makes this not a good thing for us.

We could run our own ops if we had the resources on the ground in the AO's. Thanks to the freaking PEANUT FARMER and his globalists, those assets were deemed "unsuitable" for the good guys to make use of and so they all faded away. Today, they would not trust us and probably with good reason.

Our SpecOps guys are all in all, excellent, but they're still the military and not intel guys. We've got to emulate MOSSAD in every possible way and we've got to play catchup damn quick. For example, we usually use (so I have been told by guys who have done it) a Beretta 9mm wearing a hushpuppy to make a clandestine kill. MOSSAD uses a .22 short (unsuppressed) and nails 'em straight thru the eye every time. Such a weapon is much more easily concealed and disposed of, and doesn't scream USA in case the op is compromised.

[ExSoldier]

I'll bet your history teacher was a democrat. See I'm a history teacher and "they" (my administrators) don't like it when I bring this up even though it was 30 years ago, because it demonstrates the absolute viability of focused controlled violence to eliminate a terrorist threat which will not result in collateral damage to bystanders.

Rent the movie "SWORD OF GIDEON" it is pretty close to what actually happened.

[fogarty]

At Israel has the guts to take down Islamic thugs, unlike in the US where we embrace them.

[fogarty]

How does this jive with the US killing terrorists on foreign soil then? If it is wrong for Israelis to be taking down terrorists that kill their people on our soil then it is equally wrong for the US to be going after Al 'Qaeda in Afghanistan.

More power to them. The more Islamic fanatics they kill, the less terrorists there will be.

[ExSoldier]

"hamas? israel has not done a very good job at destroying them - I am sure you will agree for the bombimngs go on and all you do is kill again and again..

Ahhhh but remember Black September was killed in EUROPE where they had very little in the way of support infrastructure and not everybody even looked alike! Mossad also had a lot of help in the way of intel from a wide variety of sources on the continent, but such is not the case where the Hamas vermin scurry and hide.

[Revolting cat!]

That's fine and dandy with this cat, since we have a tendency in this country to insist on the process for its own sake, on the Perry Mason theatrics, and and Johnny Cochran rhymes. Won't leave the outcome to the future Guvnor Ryans. Get rid of the scoundrels without all the prime time TV melodrama.

As someone noted above, this has been happening for ages. Dissidents from foreign countries who found a refuge here, have died under mysterious circumstances, the cases never solved. Don't gimme no pitchers of US Constitution here, or high moral stands, 'coz you've been tolerating this for decades from the Soviets and other wonderful governments.

[Abar]

Let's face it. The FBI and CIA are too incompetent to handle them. 9/11 proved that beyond any doubt.

Absolutely.

If we rely solely on these PC buffoons, many more Americans will die horribly.

I extend an invitation to the Mossad to kill as many terrorists as they want here. The more they kill and the sooner they kill them, the safer I and all Americans will be.

They have my 100% support.

The Logic of Israel's Targeted Killing

[Walkingfeather]

Mr. Eisenberg now don't take what I am about to say personally.... " Jane you ignorant ....."

Tell me ... if the mossad knew of a terrorist cell in this country planning a gigantic slaughter of innocent people. Some of whome are jewish. This slaughter would take place in your home town, on your block,.... please tell this court who you would want to be in possession of this info.... the FBI or the Mossad? Over the last decade the FBI has recruited only attorneys and or CPA's. Sorry if you would want the FBI who has to get permission to blow their nose but must first write a contact report about it first.

[txhurl]

I ask again: why would this operational strategy be publicized? Hey, Israel went blue denying their art/micro-camera student sales force; why on earth would they release the operational authority of their clean-up guys?

[norinos]

The constitution gives congress the power to make war, which, IMO, is what we did in Afghanistan.

[Walkingfeather]

Who knows...

[fogarty]

Exactly. And perhaps the Israeli Constitution likewise gives its government the power to make war and kill those who would destroy their country.

[Prodigal Son]

Hey, I'd like to throw a wild card into this discussion. I know this isn't the case here, but there would be a way that this would be totally Constitutional.

The Constitution grants the Congress the following powers:

To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;

To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

It would never happen, but I suppose theoretically, Congress could issue the above mentioned letters of marque and reprisal to Mossad for specific targets and it would then be legal for them to hunt down and kill an enemy within our borders.

The Constitution grants them also the following:

To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers... (with the letters of marque being one of the foregoing powers mentioned)

They could even keep it secret for a certain amount of time I suppose:

Each House shall keep a journal of its proceedings, and from time to time publish the same, excepting such parts as may in their judgment require secrecy; and the yeas and nays of the members of either House on any question shall, at the desire of one fifth of those present, be entered on the journal.

That leaves enough Constitutional wriggle room to not say anything about it.

I'm not directing this comment at you per se, I just noticed you were in on the discussion and you were the last post I got to. It's something to think about...

[txhurl]

with the letters of marque

Huh. Maybe that's why hitmen call their targets 'marks'.

Can you fathom why the Israelis would be compelled to announce this to the press? It's really rather incendiary, imagine if any other country on the planet decreed this?

I would have no problem subbing out our intel business to Mossad. They rock.

[Walkingfeather]

You know that is a great idea.... Pirates=terrorist... I think the supremes would buy it too. Nicely done my friend.

[Prodigal Son]

I think the reason they did it is to make the jihadis scared to stick their heads up. The jihadis know Israel would do something like that and it's bound to make them paranoid even if Israel had no intention of doing it. That would be my explanation.