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To: Right Wing Professor
I could have added that importing black kids into a class to provide a 'minority' perspective is patronizing and demeaning.

You're dodging the point again. Nobody said anything about "black kids" except you.

My comments made no such distinction. However, real life experience tells us that racial, cultural, and socioeconomic background does influence how people approach life. Such a diversity of views in a college setting can and often does provide a richer experience for all involved, which makes it something to be desired.

You, however, apparently do not want to admit this possibility, which explains the irrelevance of the rest of your post.

As we all agree, a desire for diversity does not justify quotas, nor does it justify wholesale discrimination. But it does give an admissions department something else to think about and strive for.

298 posted on 01/15/2003 7:19:59 PM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb
Nobody said anything about "black kids" except you.

There are two major recipients of preferences in the US: blacks and hispanics. We were talking about race, not ethnicity, so that rules out hispanics. AHA! traps are not an honest way to argue.

However, real life experience tells us that racial, cultural, and socioeconomic background does influence how people approach life. Such a diversity of views in a college setting can and often does provide a richer experience for all involved, which makes it something to be desired.

I've disputed that. Repeating it over and over doesn't strengthen the point. My experience (and I've been in colleges of one sort or another for the last 30 years) tells me otherwise. I think it makes next to no difference. If it were really true, proponents of diversity would not have to spend so much time repeating it.

As I said already, I teach science classes. I've taught at every level from General Chemistry and 'Science for poets' courses to advanced graduate courses. There mare few enough 'underrepresented' groups in these courses to begin with. I've seen no evidence that the non-white, non-Anglo kids made any more of a conribution than the white, Anglo kids.

You, however, apparently do not want to admit this possibility, which explains the irrelevance of the rest of your post.

It's not that I don't want to admit the possibility; it's that I've looked at it and discarded it. As, for example, have several of the Conservative organizations involved in the Michigan case.

By the way, if the post is irrelevant, you need to show it's irrelevant. Just repeating the same claim does not add to the argument.

299 posted on 01/16/2003 8:13:10 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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