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THE REAL HILLARY CLINTON: Episode #25 - Nightmare on Pennsylvania Avenue (Healthcare)
dfu | 1-14-02 | dfu

Posted on 01/14/2003 8:50:33 PM PST by doug from upland

This link will get you to episodes 1-20: #20 - Childish Behavior at the President's Historic Speech

#21 - Why Cops and Firemen Hate Hillary
#22 - The Wind Up, Here Comes the Pitch
#23 - Psssssst…Hey, Can You Watch My Husband?
#24 - Witches Who Live in Glass Houses Shouldn't Throw Race-Baiting Stones

NOTE: the survival of our Republic is threatened by two things -- fundamentalist Islamic terrorists and Hillary Rodham Clinton. President Bush is leading the fight against the terrorists. It is up to those of us who know the real Hillary Clinton to lead the fight against her. We must shine the light of truth on this dangerous woman so that all Americans may know the real Hillary.

#25 in the continuing series.

When she was elected…, when her husband was elected in 1992 with about 42% of the vote, Hillary thought it was a mandate. The un-elected woman who held a great deal over her husband's head, was given a large role in domestic policy, particularly in healthcare. Had Hillary gotten her way, she would have controlled 1/7 of the nation's economy.

Not surprisingly, Hillary tried to pull off her healthcare coup in secret. For over three years she had claimed that all the members of her secret committee were full-time government employees. Why was that important? Because the so-called "Sunshine Law" would not apply. Hillary held meetings in secret, kept documents hidden from the public, and would not let us know all the members of the President's Task Force on Health Care Reform.

The National Legal and Policy Center (NLPC)joined the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, Inc. (AAPS) in a lawsuit that ended up in the courtroom of one of the only judges who had the moral clarity and intestinal fortitude to actually enforce the law. Judge Royce Lamberth took seriously the rule of law.

Hillary's task force was given a budget of $100,000. In secret, it spent almost $14 million.

From AAPS ---

Pointing a legal finger directly at the White House, the Department of Justice, and the ``highest levels of government,'' a federal judge imposed sanctions for misconduct on December 18, ordering the government to pay more than $285,000 to the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS).

``We're elated that justice has finally been reached, but distressed that this shows a continuing course of misconduct by this Administration and the Department of Justice,'' said AAPS attorney Thomas Spencer.

The order issued by Judge Royce Lamberth of the District Court for the District of Columbia finally brings to a close litigation initiated in February 1993 (AAPS v. Hillary Rodham Clinton), contending that the President's Task Force on Health Care Reform operated illegally, relying on private advisors and meeting in secret.

For more than three years, the Administration and Department of Justice claimed that task force working groups consisted entirely of full-time government employees. Subsequent release of task force documents proved that claim to be false. Judge Lamberth found that the Executive Branch and its attorneys knew that claim to be false, but did nothing to correct the record, thereby prolonging litigation.

``It seems that some government officials never learn that the cover-up can be worse than the underlying conduct,'' writes Judge Lamberth. ``Most shocking to this court, and deeply disappointing, is that the Department of Justice would participate in such conduct...this type of conduct is reprehensible, and the government must be held accountable for it.''

Judge Lamberth squarely places the blame on the White House and its lawyers, including Vincent Foster: ``...It is clear that the decisions here were made at the highest levels of government, and the government itself is-and should be-accountable when its officials run amok. These were no rogue lawyers here misleading the court. The court agrees with plaintiffs that these were not reckless and inept errors taken by bewildered counsel. The Executive branch of the government, working in tandem, was dishonest with this court, and the government must now face the consequences of its misconduct.''

``This is a sad victory,'' said AAPS spokeswoman Kathryn Serkes. ``We're relieved and pleased to have our claims of an illegal cover-up corroborated. But it's a shame that the victory comes at a cost to the American people. If the White House and Department of Justice had told the truth from the beginning, this prolonged and expensive litigation could have been avoided.

``It's too bad that those guilty of this misconduct don't have to pay the bill-instead of the taxpayers. Perhaps now that they've finally been accountable for at least one of their scandals, they'll learn their lesson-a cover-up is a cover-up whether it is in the basement files of the White House or in a federal courtroom.'' ========================

From the NLPC ---

Above all, NLPC wants to make sure that a major government initiative is never again developed in secret, illegal sessions.

It was NLPC that successfully sued in 1993 to open the secret meetings and records of the task force. As a result, hundreds of thousands of previously secret documents have been released to the public and media. NLPC’s co-plaintiffs in the case are the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons and the American Council for Health Care Reform.

Most recently, Hillary Rodham Clinton’s top aide Ira Magaziner escaped criminal prosecution for perjury when the U.S. Attorney for D.C. Eric Holder, announced that he would not prosecute Magaziner despite overwhelming evidence that he had lied to NLPC.

On March 3, 1993, Magaziner swore under oath that all participants in Hillary’s task force were government officials.

At that very moment, dozens of lobbyists for corporations that would profit under Hillary’s plan were active participants in the task force.

It was not a small point. The whole lawsuit turned on that very question. NLPC filed suit under the Federal Advisory Committee Act (FACA), which requires open meetings if lobbyists and other private individuals meet with government officials.

As long as Magaziner claimed there were no outsiders, he could argue the meetings could stay closed. The request for a criminal investigation was made by U.S. District Court Judge Royce Lamberth, who presided in the case against the task force. Holder's refusal to indict Magaziner came as no surprise to NLPC. In fact, NLPC had questioned whether Holder could conduct an impartial investigation because of a glaring conflict of interest. According to news reports, Holder was at the time under consideration by President Clinton for appointment as a judge to the U.S. Court of Appeals for D.C.

NLPC cited this fact in a January 23, 1995 request of Attorney General Janet Reno that an independent counsel be appointed to investigate Magaziner. A majority of members of the House Judiciary Committee made the same demand. On May 10, Reno rejected the request.

NLPC Chairman Ken Boehm reacted sharply, “This is nothing short of a cover-up. It is obvious that Magaziner lied to us. One Clinton crony cannot be expected to investigate another.” Magaziner was represented during the criminal investigation by Charles Ruff, who himself was considered by Clinton for appointment as Attorney General before it came to light that he failed to pay taxes for a domestic helper.

Chronology of a Cover Up
Jan. 25, 1993
Hillary appointed head of Health Care Task Force
Feb. 11, 1993
NLPC demands White House open meetings
Feb. 16, 1993 White House Counsel Bernard Nussbaum refuses NLPC request to open secret meetings
Feb. 24, 1993
NLPC and two other groups file suit
Mar. 3, 1993
Task force director Ira Magaziner lies to NLPC under oath
Mar 10, 1993
Federal Judge Royce C. Lamberth orders Hillary to open meetings
May 31, 1993
Task Force allegedly disbands
June 14, 1993
Washington Times reports shredding of Task Force documents
June 15, 1993
Judge Lamberth orders White House to stop destroying documents.
Sept. 22, 1993
Administration presents health care plan to Congress
Dec. 21, 1994
Judge Lamberth accuses Magaziner of lying and asks U.S. Attorney Eric Holder for criminal investigation
Jan. 6, 1995
Washington Post reports that Holder is under consideration for appointment to federal judgeship
Jan. 23, 1995
NLPC requests that Attorney General Janet Reno appoint special prosecutor to investigate Magaziner perjury
Mar. 3, 1995
Reno announces she won’t appoint special prosecutor
Aug. 3, 1995
U.S. Attorney Holder announces he won’t prosecute Magaziner.

From a 1998 article by the NLPC --

Just before the holidays, Judge Royce Lamberth of the U.S. District Court for D.C. issued a decision sanctioning the Clinton Administration for its “dishonesty” in fighting a lawsuit which opened up the meetings and records of Hillary’s health care task force. The successful suit was filed by NLPC and two other groups in February 1993. By making an issue of the secrecy, NLPC helped unravel Hillary’s plan for government run-and-rationed health care.

Lamberth minced no words in ruling that the government must pay legal bills of $285,864 incurred by the plaintiffs. He ruled that task force director Ira Magaziner lied to him, and the White House and Justice Department lawyers of “outrageous conduct” in covering up the lies.

At issue was a March 3, 1993 sworn deposition. Magaziner claimed that all participants in the health care task force were government employees. It was a falsehood, and it was not a small point. We had sued under the Federal Advisory Committee Act (FACA). It requires open meetings of any government task force when private individuals take part.

One week later on March 10, Judge Lamberth ruled that the task force had to open its meetings to the plaintiffs and the media. This setback for Hillary was front-page news. In reality, it was a split decision. Lamberth ruled that the “official” members of the task force, meaning the First Lady and the Cabinet Secretaries, could not meet in secret because Hillary was not a government employee. But Lamberth also ruled that the “worker bees” who were developing the plan could continue to work in secret, because FACA was never meant to apply to staff. Of course, Lamberth was relying on Magaziner’s false representation that all the staffers were government employees.

That evening on ABC’s “Nightline,” I debated White House aide George Stephanopoulos. I addressed the issue head on, “What a lot of Americans are worried about, Ted, is that we now have an American version of Imelda Marcos, wielding vast influence behind the scenes, with little accountability to the American people.” Leaving the “Nightline” set, I remember Koppel chiding me for the Imelda Marcos comparison as unduly harsh.

The White House appealed Lamberth’s ruling, arguing that Hillary functioned as a government official. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit agreed on June 22, 1993. If it was a victory for Hillary, it was a Pyhrric one. The Appeals Court opened the door for the discovery of Ira Magaziner’s lie by granting us access to task force documents after we presented evidence that private, special interests had taken part in the task force.

Eventually, 250 boxes containing 500,000 documents would be released. They confirmed that lobbyists and Clinton campaign donors, who stood to benefit financially from Hillary’s plan, illegally took part in the task force. While there were thousands of documents addressed to Hillary, there were virtually none from Hillary. There is no doubt such documents were withheld. Their release would have shed light on Hillary’s involvement in Magaziner’s falsehoods.

It is a dubious proposition that Magaziner could have lied without Hillary’s advance knowledge. Webster Hubbell states in his new book, “I think the beginning of Vince’s downturn was when the Health Care Task Force was sued.” Hubbel asserts that Hillary snapped at Foster, “Fix it, Vince.”

Magaziner conveniently claims that his March 3, 1993 sworn declaration was prepared by Vince Foster, a dead man, and Hubbell, a convicted felon. The lawsuit was being defended by Justice Department lawyers who filed Magaziner’s declaration. At the very least, they would have read it. White House Counsel Bernard Nussbaum was also aware of the contents. The notion that Magaziner could have lied without the advance knowledge of anyone else is simply not credible.

Hillary, Nussbaum and the Justice Department team handling the case were all lawyers. As members of the Bar and Officers of the Court, they had a responsibility to bring an instance of perjury to the attention of the Court if they became aware of it. None of them did even though they were undoubtedly aware of it long before Judge Lamberth or anyone else outside the Administration.

Hillary’s passivity in the face of Magaziner’s lies is easy to prove. But the circumstances suggest a far deeper involvement. It is unlikely that a score of prominent lawyers in two different executive departments would have acquiesced to Magaziner marching into federal court to make false statements. There had to be a greater force within the Administration that they feared even more than putting their careers on the line.

The U.S. attorney in 1995 declined to prosecute Magaziner for perjury for stating that all members of the task force were government employees.

The judge said the Justice Department "succumbed to pressure from White House attorneys and others" to provide the court with "strained interpretations" about the task force.

He rebuked the Justice Department for failing to correct the inaccuracies in Magaziner's statement. "It is clear that the decisions here were made at the highest levels of government and the government itself is -- and should be -- accountable when its officials run amok. There were no rogue lawyers here misleading this court," Lamberth wrote in the 19-page ruling.

The lawsuit became irrelevant when the Justice Department in 1994 decided to make public all of the task force documents. The health care initiative was led by first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton, but her proposals were abandoned in the face of opposition in Congress.


How would someone like Hillary Clinton handle the power given to the president under the Patriot Act? That is pretty scary. She has already proven very clearly what she is capable of doing.

TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: daughterofsatan; healthcare; hillary; witch
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1 posted on 01/14/2003 8:50:33 PM PST by doug from upland
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2 posted on 01/14/2003 8:51:52 PM PST by Mo1 (Join the DC Chapter at the Patriots Rally III on 1/18/03)
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To: altair; Slyfox; chnsmok; stockpixx; exit82; malia; stanz; ditto h; Fred Mertz; johnny7; Aric2000; ..
Calling the Hillary list. There are no many criminal things the Clintons have done that sometimes it is easy to forget some of them. How did we live through those eight years?
3 posted on 01/14/2003 8:52:49 PM PST by doug from upland (Ergo Clintonia delend est.)
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To: Mo1
I will be dropping mine in the mail.
4 posted on 01/14/2003 8:53:31 PM PST by doug from upland (Ergo Clintonia delend est.)
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To: doug from upland
5 posted on 01/14/2003 8:53:38 PM PST by nopardons
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To: doug from upland
Thanks Doug .. smooches
6 posted on 01/14/2003 8:54:06 PM PST by Mo1 (Join the DC Chapter at the Patriots Rally III on 1/18/03)
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To: doug from upland
Always remember what Hitlery said in congressional questioning regarding the many small businesses which would have been bankrupted by her health care scheme:

I can't be held responsible for every under-capitalized business in the country."

I was listening to the radio while driving one night when I heard that clip from that hearing and I almost ran off of the road.

7 posted on 01/14/2003 8:57:12 PM PST by Orangedog (Accept No Substitutes)
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To: Orangedog
Thanks. I had forgotten about that quote. Larry Elder has mentioned it, and it certainly is chilling for business.
8 posted on 01/14/2003 10:36:57 PM PST by doug from upland (Ergo Clintonia delend est.)
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To: doug from upland

Don't think I'll ever catch up with you in this lifetime.


Gave them to my new Dentist yesterday. Will see when and what the response is.

As usual, I dinked around on mine with different font sizes from 8 to 11 but most of them required mostly 8 & 9 in major chunks. I still managed to use larger for headings and key phrases including with bold. But it would be easier if you get frustrated to just reduce them to the smallest Word font size that fit them on the card. All of them will fit on the card in Arial Narrow.

Please folks, Doug and I don't do this to hear our fingers fart. . . nor for the smell either. Please use these excellent docs. And in cases where you doubt the person would read the whole thing or even start reading the whole thing--give them a card.

Or post a card at the laundromat.

Leave them with change at restaurants.

Leave them with tips.

Shock the gas station attendant with a tip and leave him one.

I haven't left one in the offering plate at church yet but I'm thinking about it.

2004 is coming quickly. Prayer changes things most but let's put legs to our prayers and get the word out. Doug makes it possible. The cards make it easier.

But sitting on our duffs waiting for others to do it means it won't get done.

Please consider doing what you can.
9 posted on 01/15/2003 2:44:57 AM PST by Quix (3RD FREEPCARD FINISHED)
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To: Quix

That makes about 11 FREEPCARDS finished as Episode #5 totaled 9.

I think. Let me see. . . .


0003A & B

0004A1 & 2
0004B1 & 2
0004C1 & 2
0004D1 & 2
0004E1 & 2
0004F1 & 2
0004G1 & 2
0004H1 & 2

10 posted on 01/15/2003 3:02:59 AM PST by Quix (11TH FREEPCARD FINISHED)
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To: doug from upland
Indeed, and how did our country live through those 8 years.

On life support perhaps. It's not clear yet whether it is going to live through the damage done then. By God's grace we will. Certainly with no help from Shrillery's goons nor from Hollyweed nor from the left vacuum headed media.
11 posted on 01/15/2003 3:08:11 AM PST by Quix (11TH FREEPCARD FINISHED)
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To: Quix
I'm new here...what exactly are FREEPCARDS?
12 posted on 01/15/2003 5:51:32 AM PST by dixierose (American by birth, Southern by the grace of God)
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To: dixierose
Have started taking doug from upland's SHRILLERY [THE REAL HILLARY] threads and formatting them, editing them down for 3X5 card size printing on your own printer.

I haven't learned the HTML tags to get them to show up in the threads all the time exactly as they print but the editing is done. Certainly setting the font and page setup settings I give should get them to print out on blank 3X5 cards right.

A lot of people we want to influence would not begin to read even a page of negative stuff about Shrillery. But many would read a 3X5 card.

This at least gives people another, maybe more functional format, to get the word out to a lot of the very kinds of people we most want to GET IT about Shrillery and her traitorous Commie ways.

I call them FREEPCARDS hereon but not on the cards. Have made them essentially neutral so we can get the widest acceptance but also so FR nor any other conservative site is likely to be targeted--at least not very soon--as being any kind of "sponsor" or originator. Maybe that's a hollow fantasy but we shall see. We know she can be ruthless. Hopefully she won't notice or bother until it's too late, if such takes off.

Several have suggested getting a sponsor and getting them printed up. And one Freeper is planning to print 300 or so up himself and distribute around his city.

Anyway--am happy to have help with the project. More than plenty editing to be done.

Thanks for your question.

13 posted on 01/15/2003 7:32:46 AM PST by Quix (11TH FREEPCARD FINISHED)
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To: Angelus Errare
"I ping you.
You ping me.
We're a ping-y fa-mi-ly.
With a great big hug and a ping from me to you,
Won't you say you'll ping me, too?"

14 posted on 01/15/2003 7:47:16 AM PST by Green Knight (Looking forward to 2 things. A Jeb Bush Presidency, and a Hillary Beatdown! Preferably at once.)
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To: Quix
Thank you for your reply :-)
15 posted on 01/15/2003 7:48:02 AM PST by dixierose (American by birth, Southern by the grace of God)
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To: doug from upland
My cousin worked on Hillary's health care debacle. They would meet in the middle of the night most times.

Got kids:

Hillary is also interested in education.
16 posted on 01/15/2003 7:59:25 AM PST by ladylib
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To: ladylib
Thank you very much for the info.
17 posted on 01/15/2003 8:10:13 AM PST by doug from upland (Ergo Clintonia delend est.)
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To: doug from upland
You're welcome. My mission in life is to post that letter every chance I get, anywhere I can.
18 posted on 01/15/2003 8:37:25 AM PST by ladylib
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To: doug from upland
It is safe to say that Hillary is a marxist. Vladimir Lenin would have loved her
attempt to takeover healthcare in this country. One of his famous quotes is:

I believe that Hillary's primary healthcare intention was to control the wombs
of America. That would make her the supreme goddess.

Thank God for Phil Gramm.

19 posted on 01/15/2003 11:30:38 AM PST by Slyfox
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To: Orangedog
Her demonstrated knowledge of 'under-capitalized business' is enough to fill a 3x5 card. She obviously knows something about bankruptcy...but thats something she picked up only by working at the Rose law firm. It would be interesting to know what she actually did on a daily basis there and she really comprehends American business or American law.
20 posted on 01/15/2003 1:07:03 PM PST by pepsionice
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