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To: Snidely Whiplash
Good answer Snidely. The problem with these arguments is that some people mistake the "divinely inspired" word of God for the exact, literal, word of God. There IS a difference.

To take that latter posistion one has to ignore certain key points (NOT even taking into consideration the geologic and archaeological record or "Science" as it is now understood):

1. Even if we assume that God WROTE (and not just inspired) the Bible; Which Bible? All extant texts are translations and multiple-generation copies of texts and oral histories (especially the latter in dealing with the Old Testament) that no longer exist. There is no first generation manuscript that we can go back to. Everything that is in our current Bible(s) are the result of decisions made by men: translators, popes, members of church councils, etc. This means that, even if there were, at some time, an exact, literal Word of God, it has since been corrupted to one degree or another.

2. In writing of the divine, it is impossible to convey exact meanings in mere words. Suppose that Ezekiel or St. John had been granted glimpses into the future. How could they have told what they saw? Words would have been inadequate for their audience since the proper words did not yet exist. They would have tried to translate their visions into descriptions of what was known to their audience. In further translation, things would have gotten muddier yet. So how does one convey Divine Creation to a nation of shepherds so that they will be able to comprehend it?

3. Portions of the Bible are clearly allegorical. The Books of Job and Jonah are, to my mind, books meant to be read, not for their value as "history", but rather for their moral messages. Other portions are clearly more in the realm of literature. Remember, the Old Testament was more than just a religious work, it was also (for the Jews) a literary, cultural, historical, and legal work as well. What currently exists, and the form that it takes, was largely the result of the failed Jewish revolt in the First Century AD and the diaspora that followed.

4. The genealogy of the Old Testament is there primarily to provide a lineage for the House of David and the coming Messiah. One should use it sparingly for purposes other than that for which it was intended. On a related note, it's only fair to ask: "Where did Cain get his wife?" And: "What was all that about Giants in the Earth and the 'sons of God' and the 'daughters of men' (Gen 6:2). There's a heck of a lot more going on in the first chapters of Genesis that some straight-line chronology.

Normally I avoid jumping into these discussions, though I find them interesting, because debating religion creates far more heat than it does light. My apologies to those I may have offended, but I simply cannot accept the literalists point of view in certain matters, not least in their desire to assign an exact date (4004 BC) to the date of creation. There is simply too much evidence to the contrary.

BTW, Don't be intimidated by my screen name. I'm not really a Reverend, I just play one on Free Republic. :-)

31 posted on 01/14/2003 10:49:10 PM PST by Reverend Bob
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To: Reverend Bob
In regard to your alleged ignored points:

1. Historical documents such as the Dead Sea Scrolls have proven today's Bible to be more than 98% accurate. The corruption that you presuppose does not exist.

2. Moses, through an inspired process, authored Genesis, which includes the creation event and Noah's flood. There is no difficult vision to translate in these chapters of the book of Genesis. The style of writing is historical prose and the shepherds and Moses were in complete understanding of the Hebrew words for "day", "evening" and "morning".

3. It is accurate to state that the Bible contains different language styles. However, it is an impossible logical leap to conclude that therefore all passages of the Bible are only a moral message and/or some form of non-historical literature. Hebrew and Old Testament scholars have clearly defined the language style in Genesis 1 to be historical prose.

4. Yes, it is a genealogy.

BTW, your screen name wasn't intimidating; The latter part of your qualifying statement was assumed.

39 posted on 01/15/2003 8:40:26 AM PST by pby
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