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To: dirtboy
Thanks for the post.

Your welcome.

From what I can see, someone coming over the border illegally cannot be assumed to be committing a felony under federal law until they can be proven to be "alienated", or re-entered after being previously deported, and someone observing illegal entry would have no way of ascertaining that at the time. So Arizona law regarding the requirement of the observation of a felony in order to facilitate a citizens arrest would not be in force

That would be my understanding, also.

but trespass could apply under state law. But the border groups are well within their rights to report suspected illegal aliens to the INS

Yes, and that is were the majority of these groups operate, on private property. Once they move to public land, they now walk a very thin line. They can however, follow and report the suspected illegal activity to the Border Patrol.

are there any guidelines or programs that you know of that encourage such?

Not that I know of. The Government would never start a program for civilians that helps enforce laws they do not want enforced.

447 posted on 01/17/2003 2:23:28 PM PST by Marine Inspector
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To: Marine Inspector
Not that I know of. The Government would never start a program for civilians that helps enforce laws they do not want enforced.

Let me rephrase that - are there programs that encourage private citizens to report suspected illegal alients?

450 posted on 01/17/2003 2:26:18 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: Marine Inspector
Yes, and that is were the majority of these groups operate, on private property. Once they move to public land, they now walk a very thin line. They can however, follow and report the suspected illegal activity to the Border Patrol.

Thanks for the clarification. If any members of these groups are following this, in my lay opinion I concur with Marine Inspector regarding the differences between action on private land and action on public land.

452 posted on 01/17/2003 2:31:04 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: Marine Inspector; dirtboy
Marine Inspector: See, we may have our disagreements, but you are not only a professional in the sense of being paid by government to do the work but also a professional in telling dirtboy what he needs to hear rather than what he wants to hear. Even when you might wish for tighter laws. This is reality.
470 posted on 01/17/2003 3:01:56 PM PST by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey)
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