Since you are such a lay expert on the law, let's ask a practical question or more. Suppose that each and every "illegal" were apprehended, yea, even by legally constituted law enforcement and delivered over to duly constituted federal or state or county or municipal prosecution. Further presume that NO ONE pleads guilty. Won't you miss murder prosecutions? Burglary prosecutions? Rape prosecutions, because there won't be any more of those due to the need to process millions of cases of "illegal" immigration per year. It won't be very easy on the taxpayers either and a LOT more expensive than the status quo (as Ronaldus Magnus used to say, that's Latin for the mess we are in). Will we be imprisoning them at taxpayer expense, however few can be prosecuted and convicted? How many prisons shall be build at what expense? Will we simply deport them to Mexico or wherever so they can turn right around and come back the next week with new papers under a different name in a different jurisdiction or the same name and jurisdiction? Oh, and are the "illegals" required to present their documents to Rancher Jones?
I lose????? I gather no Mexicans entered the US "illegally" yesterday and that they will not be coming in tomorrow or forever. After all, you have decreed it and you are THE sovereign citizen, right?
If you act under the Arizona Criminal Trespass statute, you cannot do anything that government is prohibited from doing because you are acting "under color of law." But, but, it's just another neighborhood watch. In someone else's neighborhood for the most part
Wrong. Read the law in question that I posted:
13-407. Justification; use of physical force in defense of premises
A. A person or his agent in lawful possession or control of premises is justified in threatening to use deadly physical force or in threatening or using physical force against another when and to the extent that a reasonable person would believe it immediately necessary to prevent or terminate the commission or attempted commission of a criminal trespass by the other person in or upon the premises.
Or his agent. As I already clearly indicated, these groups are currently operating on PRIVATE land with the consent of the landowners. Try again, Mr. Hotshot lawyer - you can't even get the Arizona statutes correct.
Since you are such a lay expert on the law, let's ask a practical question or more. Suppose that each and every "illegal" were apprehended, yea, even by legally constituted law enforcement and delivered over to duly constituted federal or state or county or municipal prosecution. Further presume that NO ONE pleads guilty. Won't you miss murder prosecutions? Burglary prosecutions?
There you go again - changing the subject. Once you provide cites AND legal reasoning why the groups are acting in an illegal manner as you claim, then we'll change the subject. Until then, get searching - the internet is a wonderful research tool, but what you're looking for has to exist, so you migh be out of luck...
I am a citizen of this country. I voted for my representatives in the federal government. They passed, and the duly elected President signed, laws that mandate what I wish to have happen - that illegal aliens should be deported when found. For you to insinuate that there is something unforward in my asking that the law be followed means you have no respect for the law you purport to serve, which is an embarassment to the state bar you are registered with.
Since Im a semi lay expert on Immigration law, Ill answer the question.
Since the INS has its own prosecutors and Judges and court system, these cases will not tie up any other Local, State or Federal court. So all the other crimes will still be handled as usual.
The vast majority of these cases will be handled administratively, as provided by Immigration law, so the alien can plead not guilty all he wants, and never see a lawyer or judge.
Under the Immigration Law, most of these illegal would be charged with a violation of the INA (Immigration and Nationality Act) that does not allow the alien a lawyer or hearing. Im the prosecutor, judge and jury, and I do this daily.
For those that are eligible for a hearing, they would pose a problem with detaining them and tying up the Immigration court system.