[BlackElk]

Only for twenty five years. Criminal defense attorneys are also BIG believers in juries acquitting defendants in many circumstances and for reasons other than technical innocence.

[dirtboy]

Only for twenty five years

Then you should have NO problem making a solid case with specific reference to legal codes that these groups are acting in an illegal manner. Took me ten minutes to look up relevant sections of the Arizona code on the internet. You should be able to rattle off your position with even less effort, unless, of course, you have no intention of doing such.