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To: BlackElk
Having not read all the posts to this thread, sorry if these questions have already been asked:
1. Just exactly how many thousands/millions of immigrants should the US take in during a given year? 100,000? 3,000,000? 12,000,000? 26,000,000? 47,000,000? Unlimited?
2. What should be the country allocation criteria, if any?
3. What should be done about the economic difficulties uncontrolled immigration is having on border towns and elsewhere?
4. What about US security regarding terrorist illegal immigrants?
5. Is it racist to address these questions? Why?
Thanks in advance.
332 posted on 01/15/2003 9:13:05 AM PST by A Navy Vet
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To: A Navy Vet
Now, now, BlackElk was doing his level best to keep this thread a flame war, and you have to up and ask relevant questions.
335 posted on 01/15/2003 9:16:39 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: A Navy Vet
I got your answer to #1.

Check this response out...

1. Just exactly how many thousands/millions of immigrants should the US take in during a given year? 100,000? 3,000,000? 12,000,000? 26,000,000? 47,000,000? Unlimited?

So how many more millions do you think will be enough? 10 million more? 40 million more? 85 million more. How many more million are enough?

Is it also OK for the Chinese and Russians or anyone else to enter illegally by waves of millions by any means necessary?

182 posted on 01/14/2003 2:16 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 172 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]

As many more millions as are necessary to dump Roe vs. Wade.

188 posted on 01/14/2003 2:33 PM PST by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 182 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]

338 posted on 01/15/2003 9:20:44 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: A Navy Vet
Good luck on getting a straight answer from 'blackelk'
today......no one got one from him yesterday.

txdoda..(navy "brat"...:o)..)
340 posted on 01/15/2003 9:34:38 AM PST by txdoda
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To: A Navy Vet
1. As many as necessary to change American demographics to the point where Roe vs. Wade and the American Holocuast are ended. About 45 million have been slaughtered by surgical abortions alone since 1973. Enough is enough. When Roe vs. Wade is gone and abortion is illegal, I will be much more amenable to discussions of border enforcement.

2. I am not terribly comfortable with immigration laws at all, particularly those which have been designed to favor or disfavor particular countries. Other than the short-lived Alien and Sedition laws which destroyed the Federalist Party by 1800, we did without immigration laws altogether for a very long time. Those familiar with early twentieth century proto-Planned Barrenhood enthusiast writers like Margaret Sanger, Lothrop Stoddard, and Madison Grant, among many others, ought to share the qualms. We have had anti-Chinese quotas in the 19th Century for pure racial purposes to keep America white. We have had other national quota laws on immigration to resist Catholic immigration and Jewish immigration. All of these make me very uncomfortable. Present day reality may make it necessary to be more rigorous in screening any immigrant. I tend to agree with Peggy Noonan that there is nothing wrong with particular scrutiny of particular nationality or even religious groups from which the actual terrorists have been sent to our country. As she says, special scrutiny of, for example, Muslim young to middle-aged adult males is justified as it would be justified to give particular scrutiny to blond, blue-eyed Irish-American females who write books and columns for a living if that proves to be a group disproportionately providing terrorists. I would also agree with laws that require, as our immigration laws formerly did, a minimum degree of occupational competence to qualify as an immigrant, but NOT a higher-education-based credentialism.

3. If we are going to retain all these socialist programs, we can spread the burden nationwide. I would prefer that we get rid of the socialist programs, save all of us a tremendous amount of money, unemploy liberal bureaucrats and do it across the board affecting everyone equally, rather than trying to restrict unconstitutionally the effects to burden only Mexicans or only immigrants of whatever nationality.

4. It is certainly a legitimate function of the US government to provide national security against any terrorists, domestic or foreign, natural born or immigrant, legally immigrant or not. Indeed, that is one of the few genuine excuses for government. The 9/11 butchers apparently entered legally. We cannot, however, afford, as a nation, to fold our military and waste it on border patrol. As ever, there ARE legitimate interests of the United States (not the United Nations) which must be protected by projections of American military force (see the seminal works of Alfred Thayer Mahan, USN) or the credible threat of same coupled with adequate funding, readiness, and weaponry. The only way to minimize the personnel along the borders AND coasts and the cost of same while securing borders and coasts in order to continue the ability of the US to project military force as necessary abroad would seem to be the old Korean War Douglas MacArthur idea of a cobalt strip laid around our entire perimeter. I don't really care for that image. The Statue of Liberty seems a better national image than a cobalt curtain.

5. It is not racist to address such questions or to take a position of advocacy on either side unless there is something inherently racist in the presentation as there certainly is not in your presentation. Why? Because we are Americans and used to civilized debate as a national way of life. Finally, though you did not ask, the proper agency for the translation of public policy into reality is, as it always has been, the duly established federal and state governments of our country and NOT self-appointed citizen groups who think they have some business substituting themselves for legitimate government authority.

I trust that my answers are as respectful as your questions were. God bless you and yours.

369 posted on 01/15/2003 4:12:57 PM PST by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey)
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