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To: dirtboy; BlackElk
I spent two nights researching, among other things, the bigotry claims SPLC made against Glenn Spencer. Nothing panned out, two items were clearly demonstrated to be complete lies by other FR posters, and others were extremely vague as a means to add filler to their charges. Once again, I went into the exercise as a skeptic against Spencer and American Patrol. You're entitled to your opinion, but mine was changed by actual research.

I can vouch for Dirtboy's journey here. He spent a few days in a similar thread to this one a while back playing the Black Elk role and getting slammed for it. He did his homework now, has become better informed, and now seems to know what he's talking about.

196 posted on 01/14/2003 2:47:50 PM PST by Spiff
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To: Spiff; dirtboy
What you meant to say is that Dirtboy is now more inclined to agree with you.

Dinner break. I'll be back later.

200 posted on 01/14/2003 2:55:06 PM PST by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey)
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To: Spiff; dirtboy; Poohbah
Well, I hate to say this, but using Google (which, by the way caches the web pages), I found at least ONE quote cited by the SPLC in its report on Mr. Spencer to be verified. it was also quite simple to isolate it and see how often it was used.

The SPLC's claims are NOT entirely off-base. I even Freepmailed one of the links to dirtboy - I'm not sure if it will have any effect, but that quote has appeared on the website.
205 posted on 01/14/2003 3:02:47 PM PST by hchutch ("Last suckers crossed, Syndicate shot'em up" - Ice-T, "I'm Your Pusher")
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To: Spiff; BlackElk
He spent a few days in a similar thread to this one a while back playing the Black Elk role

It wasn't even close to what Black Elk is doing here. I genuinely wanted to get to the bottom of the claims against American Patrol - because unfortunately there are a few racialists like American Renaissance who are involved in the illegal immigration debate, and such folks are very detrimental to the cause. It caused a lot of consternation when I posted the SPLC charges against American Patrol, but by doing such two items were immediately refuted by other posters, and I found no substantiation for their claim that Spencer wrote a bigoted letter to the LA Times. So sunlight does work as a disinfectant, unless, of course, BlackElk, illumination of the truth is not your goal...

271 posted on 01/15/2003 6:32:34 AM PST by dirtboy
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