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To: archy
I figure that the five families of New York are quite Sicilian in ancestry as many of their street guys are Sicilian born. That does not mean that all Sicilians must be stopped at the border.

I figure that Whitey Bulger's Winter Hill gang in Boston is mostly Irish-American as I am but that some may well be born on the auld sod. I really disfavor deporting the Irish born, just because some of Whitey's guys may be Irish born.

My wife is half Norwegian. I'll ask her when she gets home.

Narcotraficantes sounds pretty sinister. Would that tramnslate as narcotic traffickers in our ordinary language on this side of the border? I have no guess as to mojado. As to fingers, my middle finger tends to be more active than my pinkies, especially when my horn does not work.

I am sorry that a fine young man was killed in this incident and gratified that Mexican law enforcement apparently killed the killer. I was sorry when a fine African-American police detective in Rockford was butchered killed last year by a black punk when the detective was volunteering his time off duty to dissuade young people in his black neighborhood from cruising the streets at 3 AM.

What's the point? The Mexican killer was not moving here permanently. He crossed the border to engage in criminal behavior. He extended his way of life by murdering an American Park Ranger. Is the solution to exclude Mexicans? Geronimo's first (and I believe only but I could be wrong about that) wife and their children were killed by Mexicans. He spent the rest of his free life killing Mexicans out of revenge and crossing back to the US to the relative safety of the Apache mountain redoubts. That was Geronimo and not each and every Apache.

There is still nothing in the cited article to which I was responding indicating Mexican ancestry of those particular criminals. You have provided an article from another publication presumably as to a different incident. What's the point?

181 posted on 01/14/2003 2:11:24 PM PST by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey)
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To: BlackElk; daviddennis; Poohbah
The more I look at a lot of this rhetoric, the more I feel that folks like Peter Brimelow (who runs VDARE), Jared Taylor (who runs American Renaissance), and Glenn Spencer (of American Patrol) are contributing just as much to the balkanization of America as some of the folks they are fear-mongering about.

I don't like people who try to balkanize my country - and I don't care if their last name is Brimelow, Sharpton, Jackson, Farrakhan, Spencer, Torres, Taylor, Duke, or Villagarosa. They are ALL in the wrong.
186 posted on 01/14/2003 2:26:03 PM PST by hchutch ("Last suckers crossed, Syndicate shot'em up" - Ice-T, "I'm Your Pusher")
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To: BlackElk
"There is still nothing in the cited article to which I was responding indicating Mexican ancestry of those particular criminals."

No one said the shooters were mexican, my link just points
out there are ciminals at our borders with guns, who are
shooting at not only BP but citizens......you're the one with the problem re: our citizens at the border arming themselves.
190 posted on 01/14/2003 2:36:06 PM PST by txdoda
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To: BlackElk
I figure that the five families of New York are quite Sicilian in ancestry as many of their street guys are Sicilian born. That does not mean that all Sicilians must be stopped at the border.

It means that a few more should have been, and very likely a few should be returned to Sicily as well.

I figure that Whitey Bulger's Winter Hill gang in Boston is mostly Irish-American as I am but that some may well be born on the auld sod. I really disfavor deporting the Irish born, just because some of Whitey's guys may be Irish born.

They'll of course have to find Whitey first, as it appears he may still be receiving aid and comfort from some of the accompliced he'd hired from the Boston area FBI, such as H. Paul Rico [likely not Irish] and John Connolly, and of course Bulger's hitmen Stephen Flemmi and John Martorano weren't particularly Irish, either. But if those damned Kennedys had been kept out long ago, that too would certainly have helped....

My wife is half Norwegian. I'll ask her when she gets home.

See if she can recite The Battle of Copenhagen for you.

Narcotraficantes sounds pretty sinister. Would that translate as narcotics trafficers in our ordinary language on this side of the border?

Yes, but it loses some of the flavor it offers, as applied in some of the narcocorridos of Mexican folk music commonly heard among those whoping to enter the US and make their big quick score. The Irish and Scots have long had *highwayman* floksongs in their cultures, and we have own share of the same ranging from Jessie James to Bonnie and Clyde, but not as idealized as the songs glorifying the Mexican drug bandit gangs. That's

I have no guess as to mojado

The Mexican term for those who freely cross the border without concern for the legalities. They consider the American southwest to be Mexican territory, and that thereby, the American laws have no relevance to them....unless caught in the act, of course.

As to fingers, my middle finger tends to be more active than my pinkies, especially when my horn does not work.

Nothing three months of traffic school classes can't cure you of.

I am sorry that a fine young man was killed in this incident and gratified that Mexican law enforcement apparently killed the killer.

It's unfortunately convenient that they killed him before he could be questioned and name his employers, however, thereby placing the cops who shot him in line for a bonus equal to several times their annual pay, though not from their governmental employers. But as with the crooked FBI agents in Boston, such things are hardly limited to uniformed local or plainclothes federale policemen, on either side of the border.

I was sorry when a fine African-American police detective in Rockford was butchered killed last year by a black punk when the detective was volunteering his time off duty to dissuade young people in his black neighborhood from cruising the streets at 3 AM.

Sounds like he was awfully alone out there, like that Arizona park ranger. I wonder if anyone had placed a reward for having him killed, as with the Mexican army deserter who murdered Kris Eggle. And I hope that his surviving partners aren't being hunted down by squads of foreign army troops, as has happened to Border Patrol officers near where Eggle had worked.

What's the point? The Mexican killer was not moving here permanently.

Precisely. Just the fact that he snuck into this country one time was enough to cost one American his life.

Is the solution to exclude Mexicans.

Not at all; some, many are strong voices in trying to stop the flood that threatens their lives and property as well as that of their Anglo neighbors. But there needs to be an end to the use of the border as a doormat by Mexican criminals and those opposing American soverignity in California, Arizona and Texas, among other places. As for Geronimo's border-jumping days, it took Crook and Miles 5000 troops and 500 hired indians to contain the depredations of Geronimo's relatively small band of raiders. And Geronimo did not have the resources of an antagonistic foreign government as an advantage, but was hunted by both sides, not the case with the illegals and border bandits operating in many of the same areas today.

221 posted on 01/14/2003 3:58:48 PM PST by archy
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