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To: Spiff
1. I think that there is a lot more good about Mormonism than you are willing to admit. Do you check the citizenship of Latinos seeking to become Mormons? We Catholics certainly don't check the citizenship of Latinos attending Mass.

2. No, you are not racist for wanting to abolish all welfare. In fact, you win a prize here. You are the very first anti-immigration poster to state opposition to welfare generally and not just for Mexicans. Congratulations.

3. I have been a NRA-list lawyer for NRA members arrested on firearms charges in Connecticut. As far as I am concerned, I think the Second Amendment applies to every person as well and individually not merely as part of some official or unofficial gummint group.

4. You chose the Benson quote not I. You don't seem to be very consistent with it.

5. A common culture? You must be joking. I am not a Mormon. You are apparently not a Catholic. Gloria Steinem and Jesse Helms? Eminem and Kansas? Robert Mapplethorpe and actual artists? Don't get me started.

6. Anyone with any sense will learn English to prosper here. There has NEVER been a time from the colonial era forward when everyone here spoke English.

7. You have lost the borders, Spiff. You just refuse to accept the fact. Much better that America be the ideas, ideals and principles of its founders. That has worked very well to date and will continue to work well. Just have enough self-confidence to refuse to consort with the cultural heirs of those who hanged Joseph Smith, told my ancestors that Irish need not apply, or tried every trick in the book to prevent the melting pot and failed.

172 posted on 01/14/2003 1:38:02 PM PST by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey)
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To: BlackElk
You have lost the borders, Spiff. You just refuse to accept the fact. Much better that America be the ideas, ideals and principles of its founders. That has worked very well to date and will continue to work well.

So how many more millions do you think will be enough? 10 million more? 40 million more? 85 million more. How many more million are enough?

Is it also OK for the Chinese and Russians or anyone else to enter illegally by waves of millions by any means necessary?

182 posted on 01/14/2003 2:16:43 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: BlackElk
1. I think that there is a lot more good about Mormonism than you are willing to admit. Do you check the citizenship of Latinos seeking to become Mormons? We Catholics certainly don't check the citizenship of Latinos attending Mass.

Mormons do not ask for citizenship. They are, however, expected to obey the law of the land and be honest in their dealings. If a Mormon found out a person was breaking the law, they would report the crime. A person here illegally would not be worthy, however, to obtain a recommend to enter the Temple. His leadership won't ask him whether he's a citizen, but if he answered the interview questions honestly he would prove himself ineligible. There are, however, Temples in almost every nation in the world except for Arabic nations who won't allow them.

2. No, you are not racist for wanting to abolish all welfare. In fact, you win a prize here. You are the very first anti-immigration poster to state opposition to welfare generally and not just for Mexicans. Congratulations.

And, just like wanting to eliminate all welfare and other socialist, unconstitutional schemes I also want to eliminate illegal immigration. It is not about race, it is not about Mexicans, it is about upholding the law, providing national security in a time of war, and keeping America's resources for Americans.

3. I have been a NRA-list lawyer for NRA members arrested on firearms charges in Connecticut. As far as I am concerned, I think the Second Amendment applies to every person as well and individually not merely as part of some official or unofficial gummint group.

Even those unpopular groups that are characterized by the liberal media as beer-guzzling, redneck racist militia types?

4. You chose the Benson quote not I. You don't seem to be very consistent with it.

I'm very consistent with it. I want freedom for everyone. That freedom cannot be achieved by everyone stampeding into the United States of America. The principles of freedom, as enshrined in our Constitution, must be promoted within everyone's native country. They've got to have their own War for Independence from their socialist masters just like we had ours. If we import socialist-minded people from third world cesspools, we will become a socialist nation and turn into a similar cesspool - and our freedom will be gone. I am standing for freedom.

5. A common culture? You must be joking. I am not a Mormon. You are apparently not a Catholic. Gloria Steinem and Jesse Helms? Eminem and Kansas? Robert Mapplethorpe and actual artists? Don't get me started.

We used to have a somewhat common culture. I admit that our culture has become somewhat balkanized. I don't mind a mixture of cultures as long as the common thread between the cultures is the appreciation for America, the preservation of our freedom, and the protection of our individual rights.

6. Anyone with any sense will learn English to prosper here. There has NEVER been a time from the colonial era forward when everyone here spoke English.

You can speak whatever language you want - but you can't expect anyone to listen to you or provide you anything in any other language except for American English.

7. You have lost the borders, Spiff. You just refuse to accept the fact. Much better that America be the ideas, ideals and principles of its founders. That has worked very well to date and will continue to work well. Just have enough self-confidence to refuse to consort with the cultural heirs of those who hanged Joseph Smith, told my ancestors that Irish need not apply, or tried every trick in the book to prevent the melting pot and failed.

Joseph Smith was shot, along with his brother Hyrum, when a mob stormed into his jail cell in Carthage, Il and killed him. In fact, he was the first candidate for the President of the United States who was assassinated.

Anyway, that's beside the point. I don't mind the melting pot but there's two problems with that right now. Number one, the illegals aren't assimilating into the melting pot. Number two, they are coming here illegally. If immigrants would come legally and assimilate - no problem. Welcome to America!

213 posted on 01/14/2003 3:24:05 PM PST by Spiff
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