Grijalva invites Ashcroft to see vigilante 'justice'

Arizona Daily Star ^ | 14 Jan 2003 | Unkown

[JackelopeBreeder]

Grijalva invites Ashcroft to see vigilante 'justice'

ARIZONA DAILY STAR; Tuesday, January 14, 2003

U.S. Rep. Raul Grijalva stepped up his campaign to crack down on vigilantes Monday by inviting Attorney General John Ashcroft to come to Southern Arizona to see the threat they pose to border security.

The Tucson Democrat told Ashcroft in a letter that the federal government's silence on the issue is "seen as giving official sanction to this racist movement, both by the perpetrators and victims of vigilante 'justice.' "

Ashcroft's voice, Grijalva added, "is needed now to make clear that private armed groups claiming law enforcement powers have no role in patrolling our border with Mexico."

Last week, shortly after he was sworn in, Grijalva called for a federal inquiry into the vigilante groups that have formed in response to the thousands of illegal immigrants who make their way across Arizona's border every year.

[JackelopeBreeder]

There is a simple answer to your question, Ms. Maricopa County urban dweller.

I am openly one of those "vigilantes". We do not arrest, we do not apprehend. All we really do is locate them and call in the Border Patrol to handle the legalities. Then we video tape the festivities and broadcast it live on the internet while the deal goes down.

This serves a number of purposes:

1. It gives the Border Patrol a lot of extra eyes and ears.

2. Word is spreading across the border that there is a lot more to worry about than just the guys&girls in the green suits. That little old lady in tennis shoes and binoculars just might be a birdwatcher -- or she might be packing a GPS and a cell phone and have the Border Patrol number on speed dial.

3. It embarasses the bejobbers out of the State and Federal government who won't do diddly about the situation.

That's all we do. We don't go around to construction sites or restaurants demanding green cards, because there would be no point to it. The illegals don't stay here. It's too close to the border and the risks of deportation are much higher. We don't even get any of that "cheap labor for jobs Americans won't do" out of them. They just transit through here as fast as they can -- and use Cochise County as one giant open air porta-potty and trash dumpster. They damage and destroy property, break into houses, assault people, steal anything that isn't being watched. And that's the nicer ones who aren't busy smuggling drugs.

[marajade]

be careful...

[JackelopeBreeder]

We are very careful. We have several members who are retired law enforcement and we work closely with the local law enforcement agencies. We know the legalities and have never so much as touched anyone, much less drawn a weapon. We are far more likely to render humanitarian assistance than to hurt someone.

Unfortunately, alien smuggling was pretty much taken over by the drug cartels about two years ago. Young Carlos the Coyote is now Mister Carlos, immigration consultant for Recreational Pharmaceuticals Inc.

The real danger is that we are impeding a multi-million dollar enterprise. The Border Patrol caught 156,950 illegals in Cochise County in FY 2002, to include 2,811 non-Mexicans. (The figures are right out of the INS database.) The working agents believe they only catch 20-30%. That means 450,000 to 600,000 got past them on this one tiny strip of border. Figure a minimum of $1000 per illegal...and you can see why someone really wants Chris Simcox and Glenn Spencer and the rest of us to give up this strange hobby.

Then imagine what happens when we start hampering the movement of drugs.

[marajade]

You've reassured me...

I wish you all the success in the world...

[sneakypete]

This guy has the intellect of a turnip.

None the less,he is going to get his way with Janet Ashcroft and Bubba Bush. Both are for open borders,and they value the illegal alien vote more than they value Americans. In fact,they seem determined to destroy America

[JackelopeBreeder]

Hey dude. Good to see that screen name again.

[BlackElk]

You just have to give to "illegal" persons within the US who are foreign nationals due process of law. The law is not self-executing.

[BlackElk]

I'll confirm that but we usually disagree on religion which is understandable in a nation guaranteeing freedom of religion. Apparently we both share the ability to read the English language as utilized in the law.

[BlackElk]

Well, FITZ who may fairly be described as not enthusiastic about having anyone cross the border without crossing their t's and dotting their i's has previously posted here the news article on the arrest of four self-appointed buttinskies on a wide variety of charges related to their buttinskyism. I gather that the actual government law enforcement personnel who arrested them must have at least THOUGHT they were violating the law. Don't you think? Of course, like Mexicans, the buttinskies are innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

[BlackElk]

Any opinions as to why practically no one in the federal government wants immigration laws enforced?

[BlackElk]

I don't own any liberals. Why would I want to? But those who can and do read English as used in the Fourteenth Amendment and the Fifth Amendment are amused by those who cannot so long as they do not include judges. I take it you are looking forward to some remarkable judicial activism by SCOTUS to make the Constitution mean not what it plainly says but what you wish it said. Nonetheless persons as well as citizens are protected. Citizens have some higher degree of protection but all persons are protected to a substantial degree. You are a conservative why???????

[BlackElk]

Then they are actually the "witnesses of burglary in progress patrol" and not the "border patrol", right? While you guys are wasting your time on burglaries, don't you realize that: The Mexicans are Coming! The Mexicans Are Coming! Are there patrols on the Canadian border where most of the Middle Eastern terrorists seem to come in?

[BlackElk]

Bravissimo!

[MissAmericanPie]

I'm conservative enough to know the difference between invader and citizen. The only "rights" invaders have is not to be tortured, and to be ejected in a speedy manner.

Really has you sweating doesn't it. All the word smithing that has been used on the Second Amendment is about to be better defined, and the word smithing regarding "invader" is about to be defined. Burrrrrr scary isn't it?

[dirtboy]

Then they are actually the "witnesses of burglary in progress patrol" and not the "border patrol", right?

Strawman.

[dirtboy]

You just have to give to "illegal" persons within the US who are foreign nationals due process of law.

Strawman. I have never said they should not, and acknowledged such several times.

[dirtboy]

Any opinions as to why practically no one in the federal government wants immigration laws enforced?

Politics.

[BlackElk]

In your opinion, is the United States "ready for democracy" under our republican form of government? If so, what is your problem with officeholders being responsive to the voting public?

[BlackElk]

Not at all scary since the courts can read the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments to the Constitution constitution (even if they are shamefully deficient as to the 2nd Amendment's guarantee of the PERSONAL right to keep and bear arms). If anyone wonders why so many people are concerned about the motives of the border obsessives, your first paragraph will do nicely as an explanation. This is not a cause for sweating just a cause for vigilance with an eye towards prosecuting anyone usurping government functions in such a way as to violate statutory law or the established Constitutional due process rights of those persons who are not yet coitizens whom you wish to persecute.

If you move to Barrow, Alaska, not only will there be few Mexicans especially at this time of year, but you might be known as Miss Eskimo Pie. Wouldn't you like that?

[MissAmericanPie]

An invader is not "person" in the sense that a "citizen" is a "person". I'm sure this will be cleared up by an activist conservative Supreme Court.