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Grijalva invites Ashcroft to see vigilante 'justice'
Arizona Daily Star ^ | 14 Jan 2003 | Unkown

Posted on 01/14/2003 8:01:56 AM PST by JackelopeBreeder

Grijalva invites Ashcroft to see vigilante 'justice'

ARIZONA DAILY STAR; Tuesday, January 14, 2003

U.S. Rep. Raul Grijalva stepped up his campaign to crack down on vigilantes Monday by inviting Attorney General John Ashcroft to come to Southern Arizona to see the threat they pose to border security.

The Tucson Democrat told Ashcroft in a letter that the federal government's silence on the issue is "seen as giving official sanction to this racist movement, both by the perpetrators and victims of vigilante 'justice.' "

Ashcroft's voice, Grijalva added, "is needed now to make clear that private armed groups claiming law enforcement powers have no role in patrolling our border with Mexico."

Last week, shortly after he was sworn in, Grijalva called for a federal inquiry into the vigilante groups that have formed in response to the thousands of illegal immigrants who make their way across Arizona's border every year.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: arizonaborder; illegalimmigration; vigilantes
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To: BlackElk
I figure that the five families of New York are quite Sicilian in ancestry as many of their street guys are Sicilian born. That does not mean that all Sicilians must be stopped at the border.

It means that a few more should have been, and very likely a few should be returned to Sicily as well.

I figure that Whitey Bulger's Winter Hill gang in Boston is mostly Irish-American as I am but that some may well be born on the auld sod. I really disfavor deporting the Irish born, just because some of Whitey's guys may be Irish born.

They'll of course have to find Whitey first, as it appears he may still be receiving aid and comfort from some of the accompliced he'd hired from the Boston area FBI, such as H. Paul Rico [likely not Irish] and John Connolly, and of course Bulger's hitmen Stephen Flemmi and John Martorano weren't particularly Irish, either. But if those damned Kennedys had been kept out long ago, that too would certainly have helped....

My wife is half Norwegian. I'll ask her when she gets home.

See if she can recite The Battle of Copenhagen for you.

Narcotraficantes sounds pretty sinister. Would that translate as narcotics trafficers in our ordinary language on this side of the border?

Yes, but it loses some of the flavor it offers, as applied in some of the narcocorridos of Mexican folk music commonly heard among those whoping to enter the US and make their big quick score. The Irish and Scots have long had *highwayman* floksongs in their cultures, and we have own share of the same ranging from Jessie James to Bonnie and Clyde, but not as idealized as the songs glorifying the Mexican drug bandit gangs. That's

I have no guess as to mojado

The Mexican term for those who freely cross the border without concern for the legalities. They consider the American southwest to be Mexican territory, and that thereby, the American laws have no relevance to them....unless caught in the act, of course.

As to fingers, my middle finger tends to be more active than my pinkies, especially when my horn does not work.

Nothing three months of traffic school classes can't cure you of.

I am sorry that a fine young man was killed in this incident and gratified that Mexican law enforcement apparently killed the killer.

It's unfortunately convenient that they killed him before he could be questioned and name his employers, however, thereby placing the cops who shot him in line for a bonus equal to several times their annual pay, though not from their governmental employers. But as with the crooked FBI agents in Boston, such things are hardly limited to uniformed local or plainclothes federale policemen, on either side of the border.

I was sorry when a fine African-American police detective in Rockford was butchered killed last year by a black punk when the detective was volunteering his time off duty to dissuade young people in his black neighborhood from cruising the streets at 3 AM.

Sounds like he was awfully alone out there, like that Arizona park ranger. I wonder if anyone had placed a reward for having him killed, as with the Mexican army deserter who murdered Kris Eggle. And I hope that his surviving partners aren't being hunted down by squads of foreign army troops, as has happened to Border Patrol officers near where Eggle had worked.

What's the point? The Mexican killer was not moving here permanently.

Precisely. Just the fact that he snuck into this country one time was enough to cost one American his life.

Is the solution to exclude Mexicans.

Not at all; some, many are strong voices in trying to stop the flood that threatens their lives and property as well as that of their Anglo neighbors. But there needs to be an end to the use of the border as a doormat by Mexican criminals and those opposing American soverignity in California, Arizona and Texas, among other places. As for Geronimo's border-jumping days, it took Crook and Miles 5000 troops and 500 hired indians to contain the depredations of Geronimo's relatively small band of raiders. And Geronimo did not have the resources of an antagonistic foreign government as an advantage, but was hunted by both sides, not the case with the illegals and border bandits operating in many of the same areas today.

221 posted on 01/14/2003 3:58:48 PM PST by archy
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To: Joe Hadenuf
We keep talking about immigration laws and how they need to be enforced, but really, isn't all this Congressman saying is that he wants the laws enforced by the government? I'm sorry, but if it comes down to choosing between the government enforcing the laws and a bunch of guys with guns in trucks, I'll pick the government. As much as it pains me to say it, perhaps the government does have an obligation here. It is national security we're talking about.
222 posted on 01/14/2003 3:59:43 PM PST by Buckeye Bomber
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To: Joe Hadenuf
The working Border Patrol field agents -- not their management -- consistently claim they only catch about 20%.

Last year the total catch for Cochise County was 156,950. If the BP agents are right, then something well over 600,000 got through, to include about 11,000 non-Mexicans.

At the moment, the going fee to a coyote is $1400 per Mexican; I don't know what it is for other Hispanics, but probably higher. Other nationalities, particularly Asians and Middle Easterners, are getting hit for $30 - $50,000 a head. The coyote business just on this one tiny stretch of the border could potentially be worth a billion dollars a year.

And people wonder why the drug cartels moved in and took over. I get the feeling Grijalva and his ilk are "useful idiots" for the cartels. I wonder what comment he might want to make on the fact that drug traffic adds $350 million per year to the Tucson economy?
223 posted on 01/14/2003 4:23:07 PM PST by JackelopeBreeder
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To: judgeandjury
Grijalva just wants to help his fellow Latinos. But I guess there's nothing racist about that. Or is there?

I bet he'd be the first to holler if it was decided that our immigration laws don't apply to certain others ---for example if all Germans and Irish were to be exempt from obeying the laws, he would be the first to have a "problem" with that. Because he comes from Mexico, he believes they are not required to follow the laws of this country.

224 posted on 01/14/2003 4:33:09 PM PST by FITZ
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To: BlackElk
Thanks for the compliment. Do you have anything to say about INS storing hundreds of thousands of submitted applications in Kansas warehouses without even reading them?

I doubt there's any shortage of immigrants from certain countries ---it would appear Mexico is having no trouble meeting it's quota for legal immmigration ----but then I think that is part of the problem, there are so many able to enter legally because of family reunification and other ways and many of those are qualifying for welfare programs and filling the quotas for Mexican immigration and some of the harder-working types from Mexico who have no relatives (or anchor babies) are being kept out from coming in legally.

The entire system should be reformed so that those coming in (legally or otherwise) who "need" government assistance such as SSI and Medicaid should be barred and a few more of those who are self-sufficient should be allowed in instead.

225 posted on 01/14/2003 4:38:18 PM PST by FITZ
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To: hchutch
I once saw a poll that showed Hispanics were one of the most pro-life groups out there.

Polls show that of blacks too ---actually more so but for some odd reason you will find plenty of abortion clinics all along the border, they even come over from Mexico to use them. They aren't as anti-abortion as you might think. We've got plenty of Mexican abortionists in this city ---you'd be amazed I think.

226 posted on 01/14/2003 4:40:35 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Buckeye Bomber
Grijalva has a long history of wanting the borders open and actively supports that Aztlan pipe dream. He and his friends go into shrieking hysteria every time the Border Patrol tries to strengthen the border in some fashion.

The "vigilantes" as he calls them are beyond his control. The members of ABP and CDP in particular do everything totally above board and in compliance with the law. They do not apprehend; they just act as additional scouts for the Border Patrol and local law enforcement. If they spot a group of illegals, they just call it in to the guys and girls with the badges.

The real problem for Grijalva, the coyotes, and the cartels is that the members of ABP and CDP are indistinguishable from the general population. No fancy white vehicles with Mars lights and insignia, just plain old cars and trucks.

The coyote's work just got a lot harder. Those two little old ladies in tennis shoes with the binoculars -- are they bird-watchers or are they packing a GPS and a radio as well?
227 posted on 01/14/2003 4:47:08 PM PST by JackelopeBreeder
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To: Buckeye Bomber
We keep talking about immigration laws and how they need to be enforced, but really, isn't all this Congressman saying is that he wants the laws enforced by the government? I'm sorry, but if it comes down to choosing between the government enforcing the laws and a bunch of guys with guns in trucks, I'll pick the government.

Do you mean that Border Patrol which:

1. Comes to my ranch asking for water for the new Suburban which they overheated by running the A/C at full blast and setting the desert on fire with the hot muffler?
2. Comes to my ranch asking for a jump after running the radio on their stationary, government vehicle for several hours?
3. Comes to my ranch asking for air from my compressor for their flat tire after running over cactii/mesquite?
4. Comes to my ranch asking if I will pull their vehicle [ buried to its axles] out of a wash with my tractor?
5. Comes to my ranch to remove 26 desert travelers [camped in my back field after taking water and clothes off the line] and drives through the chain link gate rather than getting out to open it?

Oh well, good enough for government work.
As for "a bunch of guys with guns in trucks", the ones I know seem to navigate the desert with a lot less trouble.

228 posted on 01/14/2003 5:05:35 PM PST by Too_Bad
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To: JackelopeBreeder
And people wonder why the drug cartels moved in and took over. I get the feeling Grijalva and his ilk are "useful idiots" for the cartels. I wonder what comment he might want to make on the fact that drug traffic adds $350 million per year to the Tucson economy?

Grijalva is probably up to his ass in drug trafficking. I would bet the rent...Either that or people trafficking.....

229 posted on 01/14/2003 5:28:02 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: marajade
This committee:

Morales also announced that he has big plans. As part of the I.M.E.,

“…there will be an Advisory Council consisting of 120 members, most of them Mexican and Mexican- Americans who reside in the U.S….The responsibilities of the founding members of the Advisory Council will be to provide advice to the Mexican government in its effort to strengthen the ties which bind Mexico to its diaspora. Their input will contribute to consolidate a series of policies which, in order to be successful, require consistency and long-term vision.”
230 posted on 01/14/2003 5:29:16 PM PST by FITZ
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To: marajade
More about that committee:

The National Development Plan 1995-2000 establishes that "the Mexican Nation extends beyond the territory contained within its borders"; this concept defines in essence the Program for Mexican Communities Abroad as a priority project of the foreign policy of the Government of the Republic.

Faced with this scenario, the work that Mexico carries out in favor of the Mexican communities within the United States acquires new importance because it constitutes an institutional answer to their educational, cultural, recreational and health care demands.

http://zedilloworld.presidencia.gob.mx/PAGES/library/od_mexcommunities.html

(Strange the interest they have in these people in THIS country but yet you see them letting them live in horrid conditions in Mexico ---maybe because here they can demand American taxpayer money?)
231 posted on 01/14/2003 5:57:31 PM PST by FITZ
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To: FITZ
(Strange the interest they have in these people in THIS country but yet you see them letting them live in horrid conditions in Mexico ---maybe because here they can demand American taxpayer money?)

Thinking the same thing.....

232 posted on 01/14/2003 5:59:12 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: BlackElk; Marine Inspector
Now you say that they are "trying to prevent" those of any nationality from entering the US over its Mexican border. How many Norwegians are they tracking? How many Chinese? How many Bohemians? Any Finns? Oh, that's right! Its just Mexicans but that is just a coincidence, right?

How could I have thought otherwise?

233 posted on 01/14/2003 6:02:26 PM PST by occam's chainsaw
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To: Joe Hadenuf; FITZ
Strange the interest they have in these people in THIS country but yet you see them letting them live in horrid conditions in Mexico ---maybe because here they can demand American taxpayer money?

Always follow the money. People living in horrid conditions at home do not generate yanqui dollars. There was an article here a few days back about the billions sent home to Mexico by immigrants. The amounts rivaled their oil revenues. Why do you think their government is pressuring our banks to accept the matricula cards as valid ID?

234 posted on 01/14/2003 6:26:28 PM PST by JackelopeBreeder
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To: txdoda
The SHAME is that mexico continues, as it has for decades, to do nothing for her own people. Mexico continues to be such a crappy place that her citizens risk their lives to escape from it.

Recent pictures of what the Mexican government is doing to it's people:






235 posted on 01/14/2003 6:33:01 PM PST by FITZ
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To: hchutch
The SPLC has one goal- Racial Marxism.
236 posted on 01/14/2003 6:34:09 PM PST by Artois
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To: JackelopeBreeder
Always follow the money. People living in horrid conditions at home do not generate yanqui dollars. There was an article here a few days back about the billions sent home to Mexico by immigrants. The amounts rivaled their oil revenues. Why do you think their government is pressuring our banks to accept the matricula cards as valid ID?

This does suggest a strategery for dealing with the illegal immigration issue.

First, start enforcing the laws against employers hiring illegals. (Of course, some of the loudest of the AmericanPatrol.com people I've seen out there will get caught in the net, but that's THEIR problem, not mine.)

Second, establish a bracero program, with applications only accepted in Mexico. Anyone found illegally in the US becomes permanently ineligible.

Third, tell the Border Patrol to ignore people heading south and concentrate their interdiction efforts on those heading north.

Of course, the problem is very basic--there is no way the AFL/CIO will support the bracero program.

After all, they got the original bracero program killed in 1965--which, not coincidentally, is when we started having a major illegal immigration problem.

237 posted on 01/14/2003 6:34:27 PM PST by Poohbah (USMC, 1983-1991)
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To: junta
Good analysis.
238 posted on 01/14/2003 6:35:27 PM PST by Artois
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To: FITZ
What these pictures are of a little Mexican neighborhood of 350 families in Mexico ---the government went in and destroyed their homes leaving them no where to go (except of course to the US). This shows how much the Mexican government "cares" about the Mexican people ---if they are in Mexico. It suddenly "cares" about them when they move to the US.
239 posted on 01/14/2003 6:35:53 PM PST by FITZ
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To: hchutch
Many people have well-founded concerns about the SPLC.
240 posted on 01/14/2003 6:37:43 PM PST by Artois
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