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Grijalva invites Ashcroft to see vigilante 'justice'
Arizona Daily Star ^
| 14 Jan 2003
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Posted on 01/14/2003 8:01:56 AM PST by JackelopeBreeder
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To: BlackElk
141
posted on
01/14/2003 12:56:40 PM PST
by
txdoda
To: txdoda
We also have American drug smugglers crossing the border back and forth. If marijuana use were effectively stopped by law enforcement, it would not bother me. Nothing in the article indicates that the drug smugglers in question were Mexicans. There was a reference to another incident involving armed Mexican nationals but not to them shooting at border patrol officers.
If Mexicans violate the law, arrest them and deal with them ACCORDING TO LAW, to the extent we can reasonably afford it, but make a point of having INS also obey the law by processing applications or stop hiding behind the law.
Welcome those who simply seek a better life. It is a matter of shame that such people have to be "smuggled" across our borders.
142
posted on
01/14/2003 12:57:07 PM PST
by
BlackElk
(Viva Cristo Rey)
To: Joe Hadenuf
I'mnot scientist - I wouldn't know offhand what new energy production could come up - but I'm not the one who's going with the "we're overcrowded" line like you are.
What proof do you have that we're running out of the resources?
143
posted on
01/14/2003 12:58:25 PM PST
by
hchutch
("Last suckers crossed, Syndicate shot'em up" - Ice-T, "I'm Your Pusher")
To: hchutch
Now, before you go off on me, Spiff, bear in mind that I used to believe in "deport `em all" solutions until I learned about a family from Colombia that fled here becuase they received word their oldest son's school (which tracked its graduates into the Colombian military) was slated to be raided by a guerilla movement that this government has designated a terrorist organization. They faced a choice between getting their oldest son out of danger or obeying our laws. They choose to save their oldest son from being kidnapped. I was told about that Colombian family by my brother, who met them while serving in the Nevada Las Vegas West Mission, and at that point, the simple pronouncement you make and that I used to make was no longer one I could make in good conscience. Gag, choke......Funny, I read that and still want to deport anyone in my country that is here illegally. Let them stand on their own soil and bleed to make it right, build it strong and kill the corruption.
Bleeding hearts are weak and dying. Most of the American people are tired and they have had enough of this BS insanity, and large scale lawlessness being perpetrated on our country by millions that have no respect for our laws, our rules, our sovereignty, OR YOU! ......
To: BlackElk; dbolles
If, in Arizona, where these self-appointed buttinsky militia groups thrive, is so terribly worked up over these great threats to "our" civilization, perhaps you can explain McCain and your new governor. Well, we know what happened to the last reporter who opposed McCain's political stringpuller and sponsor Kemper Marley, and so do the newsmen who cover Arizona politics and want to live to collect their gold watch and retirement check.
McCain is certainly no better, and his current criminal associates are no less murderous.
145
posted on
01/14/2003 1:01:59 PM PST
by
archy
To: hchutch
Now, before you go off on me, Spiff, bear in mind that I used to believe in "deport `em all" solutions until I learned about a family from Colombia that fled here becuase they received word their oldest son's school (which tracked its graduates into the Colombian military) was slated to be raided by a guerilla movement that this government has designated a terrorist organization. They faced a choice between getting their oldest son out of danger or obeying our laws. They choose to save their oldest son from being kidnapped. I was told about that Colombian family by my brother, who met them while serving in the Nevada Las Vegas West Mission, and at that point, the simple pronouncement you make and that I used to make was no longer one I could make in good conscience. Gag, choke......Funny, I read that and still want to deport anyone in my country that is here illegally. Let them stand on their own soil and bleed to make it right, build it strong and kill the corruption.
Bleeding hearts are weak and dying. Most of the American people are tired and they have had enough of this BS insanity, and large scale lawlessness being perpetrated on our country by millions that have no respect for our laws, our rules, our sovereignty, OR YOU! ......
To: Spiff
They will be out of business in three years and NOT because of any government constructed iron curtain around America. You can take that to the bank.
So they don't make citizens arrests! They are still engaging in risky activity and look like hapless Keystone Kops without billy clubs. Why DO they carry rifles? The boyz I saw on TV sure looked like beer guzzlers.
147
posted on
01/14/2003 1:02:36 PM PST
by
BlackElk
(Viva Cristo Rey)
To: hchutch
How about the logical concept that two wrongs don't make a right? Oh, wait, you've been trying to do that on this thread... Was that directed to BlackElk or myself?
148
posted on
01/14/2003 1:06:12 PM PST
by
dirtboy
To: BlackElk
If Montagnard villagers and Hmong people from Vietnam could come here from stone age civilizations after the war and see their children become valedictorians of their high schools through academic achievement not affirmative action in one generation, we should look to the Mexicans for similar performance.I personally welcome those Mexicans who come here legally, respect our laws, learn our language, seek citizenship and encourage their children to become well educated Americans. They should not be faulted for keeping cultural traditions, any more than Irish or Italian families should.
The unfortunate truth is that few recent arrivals of ANY ethnicity fit this profile.
149
posted on
01/14/2003 1:06:59 PM PST
by
JimRed
To: Pa' fuera
I'm for abolishing welfare. How about you? The constitution says you can't do it partially by excluding persons of non-favored ethnic groups, whether citizens or not. Amendments V and XIV. US Constitution.
The really important thing is that the existing demographics of this country have allowed 45 million kids to be sliced, diced and turned into bleeding hamburger. When Roe vs. Wade is gone, talk to me again about borders. Until then, I view socially conservative Mexicans or any other social conservatives as reinforcements.
If they get a better life in the bargain, I am not offended.
150
posted on
01/14/2003 1:08:24 PM PST
by
BlackElk
(Viva Cristo Rey)
To: dirtboy
You.
I do not support the notion of someone or some group with an agenda taking the law into their own hands - and the vigilates on the border are, IMO, perilously close to doing that.
151
posted on
01/14/2003 1:08:38 PM PST
by
hchutch
("Last suckers crossed, Syndicate shot'em up" - Ice-T, "I'm Your Pusher")
To: Joe Hadenuf
Like I care about your opinion.
The fact is, I did look at it - and found your hiding behind "our laws" to be a pretty pathetic excuse.
You can ask any lawyer what the law says about "competing harms" - go ahead, ask them. Listen to their explanation and then get back to me.
152
posted on
01/14/2003 1:10:28 PM PST
by
hchutch
("Last suckers crossed, Syndicate shot'em up" - Ice-T, "I'm Your Pusher")
To: BlackElk
"If Montagnard villagers and Hmong people from Vietnam could come here from stone age civilizations after the war and see their children become valedictorians of their high schools through academic achievement not affirmative action in one generation, we should look to the Mexicans for similar performance."
Sure, as long as they come here legally.
To: hchutch
I do not support the notion of someone or some group with an agenda taking the law into their own hands - and the vigilates on the border are, IMO, perilously close to doing that.So you consider illegal immigration wrong and border groups wrong, when one is illegal and one is not, which shows your opinion is in defiance of the facts. What the border groups are doing IS well within the law - to monitor the border and report illegal activity. Folks report illegal activity that they observe each and every day, but somehow what American Patrol is doing is wrong? And they should not be allowed to carry weapons, when the right to bear arms for protection is otherwise a high priority on FR? Cut me a break.
154
posted on
01/14/2003 1:13:12 PM PST
by
dirtboy
To: Joe Hadenuf
If "most of the American people" are tired of all this, then run little Tommy Tancredo in the GOP primaries and teach Dubya a lesson. Fat chance. Put your hero where your mouth is.
If you are REALLY worried about American sovereignty, let's get out of the UN and withdraw from all those sovereignty sapping treaties which are a lot more dangerous to American sovereignty than are Mexicans seeking a better life.
155
posted on
01/14/2003 1:13:43 PM PST
by
BlackElk
(Viva Cristo Rey)
To: BlackElk
We also have American drug smugglers crossing the border back and forth. There are but only as drug runners foolishly recruited to smuggle, the Mexican drug cartels don't tolerate any competition, no American can get too far up their ladders.
156
posted on
01/14/2003 1:14:35 PM PST
by
FITZ
To: hchutch
I'mnot scientist - I wouldn't know offhand what new energy production could come up - but I'm not the one who's going with the "we're overcrowded" line like you are. What proof do you have that we're running out of the resources?
You may not be a scientist, but you have a lot of density.
Most of our cities are overcrowded, our schools are overcrowded, our expressways and freeways are bumber to bumber, our social services are being choked off, our freaking jails are full of illegals, we have hundreds of thousands of American citizens out of work, our land fills are full, our energy resources are limited, there are only so many labor jobs left, that's why hundreds of thousands of illegals are now showing up in places like Georgia, Tennessee, Ohio, Illinois, Indiana, Washinton, etc, etc.....
HELLO THERE! We don't need millions more people here, regardless of what the hey they look like..
Are we no longer a nation of laws? Do we no longer expect people from outside of our country to come here legally, by the book? Are there other laws we can just ignore, like paying taxes?
Are we not hated by many countries that want to send those with agendas of death into our home towns.
Do you leave your doors and windows to your house unlocked? Your car? Do you not secure your wallet or purse? If not, why do we continue to leave the doors and windows wide open to our country? Are we stupid? Are we looking for trouble? Is there an agenda here?
To: txdoda
Ummmmmm, going to Cuba to live so long as it is communist.
158
posted on
01/14/2003 1:15:36 PM PST
by
BlackElk
(Viva Cristo Rey)
To: BlackElk
159
posted on
01/14/2003 1:15:44 PM PST
by
archy
To: BlackElk
So they don't make citizens arrests! They are still engaging in risky activity and look like hapless Keystone Kops without billy clubs. Yeah, and by the time the media got done with freepers at protests, they made us look stupid to suit their agenda. Do you ALWAYS believe what you see on TV?
Why DO they carry rifles?
Funny how a guy running around the forum citing amendments suddenly forgets about the second one.
The boyz I saw on TV sure looked like beer guzzlers.
Ah, going from the race card to the class card. I'll call up Glenn Spencer and tell him that you'd be much happier if his supporters starting consuming a decent merlot instead of beer. Can't have the rabble standing up for their rights now, can we?
160
posted on
01/14/2003 1:16:38 PM PST
by
dirtboy
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