Posted on 01/14/2003 8:01:56 AM PST by JackelopeBreeder
Grijalva invites Ashcroft to see vigilante 'justice'
ARIZONA DAILY STAR; Tuesday, January 14, 2003
U.S. Rep. Raul Grijalva stepped up his campaign to crack down on vigilantes Monday by inviting Attorney General John Ashcroft to come to Southern Arizona to see the threat they pose to border security.
The Tucson Democrat told Ashcroft in a letter that the federal government's silence on the issue is "seen as giving official sanction to this racist movement, both by the perpetrators and victims of vigilante 'justice.' "
Ashcroft's voice, Grijalva added, "is needed now to make clear that private armed groups claiming law enforcement powers have no role in patrolling our border with Mexico."
Last week, shortly after he was sworn in, Grijalva called for a federal inquiry into the vigilante groups that have formed in response to the thousands of illegal immigrants who make their way across Arizona's border every year.
...and it really doesn't matter if that better life comes at the expense of the taxpayer. The important thing, in fact the only thing, is that they get theirs.
Sounds like Black Elk is spouting off offensive racist labels...
...kinda hypocritical of someone who's constantly accusing everyone else of racism.
What he doesn't seem to be able to comprehend is that many (most?) of us would feel the same way about these criminals even if they were caucasions migrating from Ireland, or Russia, or Australia, or etc, etc. Must be some kind of mental block...or brainwashing(?).
You're right - it is a worldwide religion. However, one of its tenants is that you must uphold the laws of the nations you are in. You won't find many Mormons illegaly crossing the border from Mexico. You won't find many Mormons who break federal laws to harbor and aide the illegal border intruders either.
All of it sinks in but you are wrong and you advocate lawbreaking! Any applicable part of the constitution trumps any statute or any referendum or any executive order. Don't you agree?
Show me the part of the Constitution that says that hikers can't carry their personal sidearms and if they see a crime they can't report it to the appropriate authorities. Mr. Make-believe Lawyer, please show me the "law" that these hikers are breaking. Until then, shut the hell up. You're stupid.
And, by the way, I want to do away with all socialism including welfare. I don't want anyone on welfare. Does that make me racist too because, then, a great number of blacks and hispanics would be without welfare (along with people of other races)? Same with the border. It don't care what race, nationality, or planet the border intruders come from - they must respect our border and our laws. If they don't, they should be appropriately punished, forced to pay restitution for their crimes, and permanently expelled from our nation.
You do know what a nation is, don't you? You know, that big place that has a border around it, a common language, and a common culture? Lose any of these things and you no longer have a nation. If you propose doing away with any of these things, you are proposing to do away with our nation - America - and are therefore anti-American - and you become the enemy.
As an Arizona rancher [well it's only 40 remote acres with a bit of livestock], my property has suffered the usual trashing from persons traversing the Sonoran Desert. The costly losses have come from those who have destroyed or damaged my well; the last time to the tune of $2,400 when they broke into the locked well yard, smashed the main pipe causing the submersible pump to burn up when it pumped the well dry. No water for five days in high summer which meant no water for animals and no water or cooling for my family other than what I could haul in. Twenty five years ago, desert travelers were few and far between; we always gave them water and food; they were polite enough to ask. There were no phones then to call for law enforcement or medical help. Now there are desert travelers at least weekly. No one asks for water or assistance anymore; they just take what they want.
All my criminal matters are concluded long since. Of the 100 arrested, thirty were criminally convicted, sixty were convicted of non-criminal "infractions" which are like parking tickets. The rest were acquitted or dismissed by operation of law after the state was too discouraged to prosecute. The trials were mostly of small groups but cost the state hundreds of thousands per trial. Virtually no one paid fines even if imposed. Few fines were imposed, as a result. Of those convicted of infractions, most were "punished" by unconditional discharges: no criminal record, no fine, and nothing else was available as a punishment. Almost all infraction clients were originally charged with crimes, some with felony burglaries. Of those thirty convicted of crimes virtually no one signed probation papers or observed probation standards. Thus few were sentenced to probation. About eight had post-trial incarceration, none more than forty-five days and few had that much. They practiced non-violent resistance throughout and were more of a disruption during brief pre-trial incarcerations (refusing to identify themselves or cooperate in any way, for the most part) than the jails could generally handle.
When I said that the Southern Poverty law Center was antagonistic toward my clients, I feel sure that Morris Dees is hostile to pro-lifers everywhere which marks him as no civil libertarian but I think he primarily went after a group in Portland, Oregon, largely because they published Life Advocate Magazine (before it closed it was the best pro-life magazine in the country) although he trumped up other excuses to bankrupt them and make their funding flee in terror. He also went after Operation Rescue in Houston or Dallas probably because Texas pro-lifers converted Norma McCorvey to Christianity, Catholicism, pro-life activity and even Rescue activity. A little known fact is that Norma McCorvey AND her daughter (Roe vs. Wade) and Sara Scorvino AND her daughter (Doe vs. Bolton) have all been directly involved in Operation Rescue. McCorvey and Scorvino are petitioning the Supreme Court (on the basis of their own fraudulent affidavits) to overturn Roe vs. Wade and Doe vs. Bolton. Not likely to result in relief which further proves the law is dead when litigants admit they lied to obtain a result and no change results.
The only lawsuits against the Connecticut pro-lifers were: Town of West Hartford vs. Connecticut PLAN (won by PLAN when the 2nd Circuit overturned the trial court, leaving only the question of how much West Hartford will pay the brutalized pro-lifers) and The United States and State of Connecticut vs. Stanley Scott, et al. which complained not of Rescue-type activity but against sidewalk counseling. Trust me that the result of that case by the federal and state governments against a 76-year-old man who has been on the sidewalk five days a week since about 1974 as part of an effort which has saved about 400 babies to date by persuading their mothers not to abort, that case proves that the rule of law is dead. His co-defendants were found not liable (it was a civil case) and Stanley was enjoined but he continues to walk the sidewalks near the mill which is now on the upper floor of an office building in Bridgeport and to be active at several uninvolved mills.
The Citizen Patrol needs to patrol in Phoenix.
There could be Citizen Patrols in every city. In fact, there are many at FR who could then join in. They could even organize thru FR.
Next, I have not mentioned Spencer or Simcox. Third, you cannot, under long pre-existing American law, libel or slander an organization. Finally, I did not mention either orgainzation.
My dog doesn't bite. He did not bite you. You weren't hurt by the bite. Shep was on the Arizona border chewing an illegale when you claimed to be bitten in Illinois. Besides, he was tied up in my Illinois backyard at the time. Furthermore I don't have a dog. Never did have one and I sold him last week. What do you mean by doubting my credentials as a lawyer? Isn't this paragraph proof enough for anyone. I am a recovering lawyer since I recognized the death of the rule of law but that's another story.
You inadvertently touched on a hidden aspect of the problem. For all intents and purposes, Cochise County has no real political representation. At state level, we were gerrymandered apart by the two political parties. Sierra Vista and Fort Huachuca were tossed into the pot with parts of liberal Tucson 70 miles away. The rest of the county was tossed into another pot made up of bits and pieces of land scattered all over the state, some of it 200+ miles away. Neither of our state reps are local.
Jim Kolbe, our federal congress critter, is from Tucson (just like Grijalva). We make up only 2% of the state population. The politicians of both parties can and do ignore us because we won't make any significant difference in their vote tallies.
Rauuul Grijalva is way out of bounds as we are not even in that dork's district.
HELLO THERE! We don't need millions more people here, regardless of what the hell they look like.
HELLO? ANYONE HOME?
LOL!
You want to live on the coast. That is the coast that you describe. I moved inland to America from the East Coast.
Huh? The article of this story is about land locked Arizona, and many down there that are sick and tired of this titanic lawlessness. And yes I do live near the coast. So what are you suggesting? I move to Illinois if I don't like this titanic invasion? Horse crap.
They just opened up a Mexican consulate in downtown Indianapolis. LOL! The coast my butt!
This attack on our borders and sovereignty is nationwide, from California to Florida, to New York, to Tennessee, to Oregon, to Colorado, to Ohio, to Illinois, to Utah, etc etc etc.........
America is largely empty. It is not by any means overcrowded
Huh? Go to *any* major city in America. It's the same in every damn city....You are fooling no one, except maybe yourself.....
Joe Hadenuf, are you still buying into that Mathusian BS again?
Huh? Mathusian? Uh, feel free to speak English to me if wish. What does Mathusian mean. LOL!
OR do you really not think that the free market would reward someone who found the way to provide for those energy needs through new power sources?
What the hey kind of response is this? Jesh!
So what kind of new power sources do you have in mind to eliminate the absolute chaos being perpetrated on our country by millions of illegal aliens that I mentioned above?
Don't hold back, I welcome any miracle solutions, besides enforcing our existing laws, you may have to offer.
Shows how much you know. ABP and CDP have not made a single citizens arrest. In fact, they don't intend to. They observe the border intruders, track and follow the border intruders, and call the incident in to law enforcement who responds and detains the border intruders. Roger Barnett has made citizens arrests on his own property or property that he is leasing. If you want to go after him for defending his property, be my guest. Many have tried, including Mexico, and failed because Roger is on solid ground with his actions and is very careful how he does what he does.
Again, you proving that you have bought into the liberal lies about the groups down here. They aren't walking around the border willy-nilly chugging beer and aiming their high-powered rifles at every "Pedro" they see. They've got a plan, they are well disciplined, and they know what they're doing. Please become more informed so that you don't embarass yourself again.
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