[Grampa Dave]

You posted, All of the "progressive" movements, when you think about them, contained similar elements....rapid social change, disregard for long held principles and norms, a twisted reliance on a "new fairness." For the working class, which eventually turned to forms of slavery and torture to any opposition. etc.

For example, NAZI was short for the National Socialist German Workers Party.

Here is an article that I have bookmarked which backs up your statement. (A Little Secret About the Nazis They were left-wing socialists. Yes, the National Socialist Workers Party of Germany, otherwise known as the Nazi Party, was indeed socialist, and it had a lot in common with the modern left. Hitler preached class warfare, agitating the working class to resist ``exploitation'' by capitalists -- particularly Jewish capitalists, of course. Their program called for the nationalization of education, health care, transportation, and other major industries. They instituted and vigorously enforced a strict gun control regimen. They encouraged pornography, illegitimacy, and abortion, and they denounced Christians as right-wing fanatics. Yet a popular myth persists that the Nazis themselves were right-wing extremists. This insidious lie biases the entire political landscape, and the time has come to expose it. )

[sam_paine]

It's not so much an insidious lie being perpetrated, more that it is a plague of ignorance that is pervasive. Namely that the public doesn't know the simple definitions of "Conservatism" and "Liberalism."

Right and left are so easily misconstrued into arbitrary good or bad (either way).

If the meaning of Conservatism is articulated by our "conservative" leaders, and the history of past and present socialists and communists are presented honestly, then it will be obvious to those willing to think who the modern liberals most closely resemble....