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Hey Spiff! -- Dont call me a 'leech'. I was making the exact same argument as you, back in '62, when I became a self-employed contractor. I've paid in at max, ever since, - and now I expect to cash out. [if I live long enough] To get even, I figure it'll take me another 15 years, barring inflation. - I doubt I'll make it to that age, so the ponzi scheme will work, in my instance.

You are under the common misconception that you "paid in to" Social Security. Sorry, but your money was and is immediately spent by the looters and leeches. Saying that you will get out of it what you put in to it is like saying that you're going to go hold up a liquor store to make up for money a burglar stole from your house. The money is being stolen from working Americans.

If you retire while I'm still working, your revenge will be taking money out of my pocket. I will call you a leech and a looter and will be correct in doing so.

You are under the common misconception that you "paid in to" Social Security. Sorry, but your money was and is immediately spent by the looters and leeches. Saying that you will get out of it what you put in to it is like saying that you're going to go hold up a liquor store to make up for money a burglar stole from your house. The money is being stolen from working Americans.

If you retire while I'm still working, your revenge will be taking money out of my pocket. I will call you a leech and a looter and will be correct in doing so.

No, you are wrong in calling him a leech. He entered into a contract with the gov against his will, as I was forced to do, when he started working.
A certain amount was stolen from him over the years and he was promised a certain amount would be stolen form others to reimburse him.
He and I didn't design the f*cking system, didn't elect to participate in the f*cking system, and you have no right calling those those that were stolen from earlier leeches.
Grow up or go away.

If you retire while I'm still working, your revenge will be taking money out of my pocket. I will call you a leech and a looter and will be correct in doing so.

You will not be correct because he (or you or me) CANNOT opt out of this "system" without living like a mountain man in the woods or some other kind of malcontented Luddite. Tpaine been getting ripped off for a long time, and is fighting back in the proper way---expecting to get his benefits. You make it sound as if you are the only one getting screwed; we ALL are.

Hopefully, within this generation the welfare state will collapse under its' own putrid weight. The only other way we'll get rid of it is armed insurrection, which I for one don't advocate.

You are under the common misconception that you "paid in to" Social Security.

Nope, I made that same observation 40 years ago.

Sorry, but your money was and is immediately spent by the looters and leeches.

So what? You think I had a choice? It was forced from me, as for you.

Saying that you will get out of it what you put in to it is like saying that you're going to go hold up a liquor store to make up for money a burglar stole from your house.

Bull. The gov stole from me and promised a pay back, if I lived.

The money is being stolen from working Americans. If you retire while I'm still working, your revenge will be taking money out of my pocket.

As mine was taken out of my pocket to pay for my grandfather & his peers, - who never paid in a dime. But then, your grandparents don't collect SS I assume. Correct?
Big deal in any case, as you seem to think you're the only one who's been fleeced.

I will call you a leech and a looter and will be correct in doing so.

Get a grip. - You wouldn't do it in a bar, to my face, so you shouldn't do it here. You're being irrational.