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Socialism: Its evil permeates American society
Pittsburgh Tribune-Review ^ | 1/12/03 | David P. Shreiner

Posted on 01/12/2003 2:10:15 PM PST by Jean S

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:02:45 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

A conservative preacher once told me he thought "a little socialism was good." I was dumbfounded. He did not realize this was tantamount to saying a little evil is good.

In the early 1900s socialism was regarded as a crazy idea invented by revolutionaries and Marxists to disrupt civilization and bring down governments. But today the majority of Americans behave as socialists

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: communism; freetrade; libertarians; marxism; physicain; physician; socialism; socializedmedicine; sovereigntylist; un; unitednations
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To: JeanS
What is AUTO INSURANCE if not a form of socialism: From those who drive safely TO those who can't.
201 posted on 01/15/2003 8:22:20 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: dramagirl1341
I wouldn't know, I wonder if only property owners were to vote if the country wouldn't be more conservative. It's easy to be fast and loose with other people's property and income when you have no stake.

The fact that a majority of women vote democratic is reason enough for me to wish we didn't have the vote. I'm not nearly as charitable about the rights of others, women, when they use them to run over the rights of the productive, the unborn, and conservatives. To me it's like saying that it's violating someone else's rights to deny them the ability to hire an agent working on their behalf to rifle your purse and take your money.

It just doesn't wash with me, especially given that circumstance are growing ever more extreme and will continue to do so with manufacturing going overseas and the amount of people rushing unhindered into the country expecting something for the trip. Compassion has it's place, but so does responsibility.
202 posted on 01/15/2003 3:40:30 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: dramagirl1341
It doesn't make any sense, how some people, in the cause of conservatism, would (if they could) deny voting rights to over half the population of the country. Depriving people of their constitutional rights in the cause of conservatism isn't conservatism at all, it's tyranny.

Luckily, the very Constitution they seek to "protect", actually protects society from these would-be tyrants.
203 posted on 01/15/2003 4:09:59 PM PST by wimpycat (Down with Kooks and Kookery!)
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To: wimpycat
exactly.
204 posted on 01/15/2003 7:51:09 PM PST by dramagirl1341
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To: MissAmericanPie
Letting women and other minorities vote is not called compassion, it's called their constitutional right.
205 posted on 01/15/2003 7:53:18 PM PST by dramagirl1341
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To: dramagirl1341
And I still wish they didn't exercise it, impasse. I'm not likely to change my mind on the matter, though it's sweet of you to try.
206 posted on 01/15/2003 8:30:09 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: hoosierham; NMC EXP
Wow. I thought some of my past diatribes against suffrage had fallen by the wayside.

The writing is on the wall, we're just reading it.

207 posted on 01/16/2003 4:43:30 PM PST by Dr.Deth
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To: wimpycat
Could you please expound your theory that the women's vote is the major contributing factor to the downfall of the country?

Tell me, has it gotten better? Or worse?

From: Dr. Deth's archives 8/31/01

On a grand scale, the notion of government as nanny to "help those who can't (i.e. won't) help themselves" is a relatively 20th century phenomenon, exacerbated by the cajoling of the so-called 'progressives'. The ultimate result can only be a regression of the human species as those non-productive members of the species outbreed the productive members.

The root of America's (perhaps the world's) ultimate demise can be traced back to this: (don't laugh) Giving women the vote. It's not mysogyny so much as a balance being lost. Nobody wants to own up to this, but consider:

1) The predominant natural instincts of females are the inactive, and the negative (the Taoists call this yin). Some of these are emotionalism, security, pacifism, and stability. This is an evolutionary byproduct of the physical inferiority of their sex. Opposed to this are the male, active, positive forces (yang); instincts toward reason, adventure, violence, and construction. This is why traditionally males take lead roles in social, economic, and governmental auspices. Of course there are always exceptions, but we're painting with a broad brush for sake of this argument.

2) Having given women the vote, it took some fumbling by the collectivists to find their winning formula: fear - another manifestation of yin. By confusing targetted members of the voting populace (now including women) with various boogeymen, and aligning with a few traditionally disaffected splinter groups: minorities, the elderly, and anyone else who can be portrayed as some victim class, the collectivists consolidate larger and larger blocs of power, but gradually so as not to be noticed. This formula was laid out by noted Communist Antonio Gramsci early last century; you may recognize it as 'incrementalism'. FDR was the first to truly utilize the power of this formula as an authoritarian club against his domestic enemies.

3) Collectivists exist to leach from society. Their ultimate goal is hardly egalitarian despite their pretty slogans: they merely want the power and enrichment that they feel should be their entitlement as 'educated forward-thinkers', as opposed to the current cadre of elites. To wit: how equal is everyone in Cuba? Their end is power, their means is anything that works. The spin-doctored, poll-directed reign of Clinton was a sublime example.

4) The stereotype of 'mean old Republican' and 'overprivileged white male' is so ingrained into the culture now as to have manifested that peculiar phenomenon of 'political correctness', prophecized by Orwell as 'groupthink'. This is INDEED the result a conscious and concerted effort of a media dominated by 'progressives' and collectivists, and affects most the naive young, confused elderly, and (the crucial bloc) women... because this is their boogeyman. Witness the linking of the Republicans with so-called 'militias' during the Clinton era.

5) Having sufficiently spooked the weaker element of society, one can now offer a 'solution'. The concept of government-as-nanny is not only a BAD idea, it is the most dangerous idea in the world today. From Big-Brother legislation 'for the children' (which automatically appeals to... whom?), to our notions of Socialist Security and even this right-to-prescription-drugs fiasco (which Constitutional Amendment was that, again), America continues oblivious, inexorably along a path travelled many times before in history. Note the ludicrous War On (Some) Drugs, the classic example of government creating a problem, then magnanimously offering to solve it for us poor helpless citizens... all it will cost is the Bill Of Rights. A small price to pay for our laughable Drug-Free School Zones, yes?

As the bounds of individualism are encroached upon daily, government acquires to itself more and more 'responsibility' (translation: power). If personal liberty is lessened incessantly, why should we be surprised when personal responsibility is lessened accordingly? The void is filled by government-as-nanny, manifested by more and more laws to 'protect us from ourselves'. At the upper limit of this is Communist or Fascist (same idea, different implementation) government, of which it was joked, "that which is not prohibited is compulsory."

The end result can only be toward a bureaucratic, authoritarian government which takes the stead of the former role of dominant individuals (yang) in society. The 'country as family' structure has begun manifesting in America with the traditional family structure apparent not within individual units, but on a societal level (public schools and collectivist domination of academia are a big factor in this, but that's another dissertation). Either way, Hitlery would be proud, because it now 'takes a village.'

Let me tell you this: Worry less about whether Bush is or isn't cutting taxes, and more about which provisions of the Bill Of Rights are still in effect. By my reckoning, only the 3rd and maybe the 7th Amendment are not routinely violated. And worry about why the government feels comfortable assuming by force rights which are granted you by the Creator (who/whatever). You may not recognize fascism when it comes to your country, but it will be fascism all the same. America is not Weimar yet, but one solid economic or terroristic (think Reichstag) jolt and all bets are off.

(Postscript: note the original date. Think we've seen that 'jolt' yet?)

208 posted on 01/16/2003 4:54:30 PM PST by Dr.Deth
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To: Dr.Deth
ROFLMAO!!!


You're a complete NUT.
209 posted on 01/16/2003 5:00:35 PM PST by wimpycat (Down with Kooks and Kookery!)
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To: wimpycat
Check in with me in 2005. We'll see.
210 posted on 01/16/2003 5:04:07 PM PST by Dr.Deth
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To: Dr.Deth
You think we'll still be ALIVE in 2005? I sure don't. Especially now that I've read your really scarey synopsis in the above post.

SARCASM OFF......useful idiot.

211 posted on 01/16/2003 5:11:04 PM PST by Howlin (It's yet ANOTHER good day to be a Republican!)
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To: MissAmericanPie
As a matter of fact neither the Senate nor the President are elected today as was prescribed by the Constitution, so how about we do things Constitutionally?

Forget to read Article V? There is a process for ammending the Constitution, and we have, 27 times. All elections of US Presidents and Senators have been done as mandated by the Constitution as it was at the time of the election.

So9

212 posted on 01/16/2003 5:22:50 PM PST by Servant of the Nine (OK, what are you up to now?)
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To: Servant of the Nine
It should never have been. The orignal way was thought out by some very intelligent men and is a system we should not have abandoned.
213 posted on 01/16/2003 5:32:10 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: dtel
sometimes that downsizing, overqualified thing works in your favor.

And sometimes, it's a complete afterthought.

214 posted on 01/16/2003 5:34:58 PM PST by Dr.Deth
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To: MissAmericanPie
The orignal way was thought out by some very intelligent men and is a system we should not have abandoned.

You are right, but they also thought out Article V.

If we go back to the original of course, there will be no freedom of speech or of religion, nor right of Habeous Corpus, nor requirement of a warrant to search us or our homes.

The next democrat president could establish a secular State Church and ban all others. Force you to send your children and grandchildren to it. Search your home at will for forbidden bibles. And then he could get nasty.

Stock up on Tin Foil.

So9

215 posted on 01/16/2003 5:39:27 PM PST by Servant of the Nine (OK, what are you up to now?)
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To: Howlin
SARCASM OFF......useful idiot.

So, apparently we have differences. The difference between us is: I'm useful.

Perfect DU critique though - Don't argue; attack.

216 posted on 01/16/2003 5:48:40 PM PST by Dr.Deth
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To: tpaine
"You crazy"

You know what you doing.

217 posted on 01/16/2003 5:54:54 PM PST by Dr.Deth
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To: wimpycat
Knock both women and blacks out of the political process, then you'll really be getting back to the original Constitution.

Actually, to get back to the ORIGINAL Constitution, blacks would only have to be reduced to 3/5'ths of a vote. Males only, of course; but that should go without saying.

Then you won't have to win the war of ideas.

We're ready for your first salvo, whenever you see fit to deliver.

218 posted on 01/16/2003 5:58:10 PM PST by Dr.Deth
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To: Dr.Deth
Actually, to get back to the ORIGINAL Constitution, blacks would only have to be reduced to 3/5'ths of a vote. Males only, of course; but that should go without saying.

You mean 3/5 of a person for census purposes and property valuation, certainly not 3/5 of a vote. You'd like that, wouldn't you?

219 posted on 01/16/2003 6:14:07 PM PST by wimpycat (Down with Kooks and Kookery!)
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To: Dr.Deth
LOL! Thanks for the humor break!
220 posted on 01/16/2003 6:26:12 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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