Well, you missidentify the sides in the debate. It is a known social and psychological fact that the people the most harsh toward the poor are those just above them - people of modest means who see themselves as a middle class and try deperately to distance themselves from those just below. I would not be surprised if those who support more redistribution are those with really higher incomes. The very poor do not debate much.
poor people who do not even pay taxes are blocking the entrance ramp
Do you really think that, if the poor get the boot you will get into this entrance ramp toward the riches? Could you elaborate?
It's not a debate, it's a Gramescian tactic.
They are intentionally playing the rich and the poor against each other, so they can loot us both, and the politicians can line their pockets.
All the conflicts we see - Even Democrat v Republican are mind games, designed to keep us enslaved.