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Refuting Darwinism, point by point
WorldNetDaily,com ^ | 1-11-03 | Interview of James Perloff

Posted on 01/11/2003 9:53:34 PM PST by DWar

EVOLUTION WATCH Refuting Darwinism, point by point Author's new book presents case against theory in just 83 pages

Posted: January 11, 2003 1:00 a.m. Eastern

Editor's note: In 1999, author James Perloff wrote the popular "Tornado in a Junkyard," which summarizes much of the evidence against evolution and is considered one of the most understandable (while still scientifically accurate) books on the subject. Recently, WND talked with Perloff about his new book, "The Case Against Darwin."

© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

QUESTION: Your new book is just 83 pages – and the type is large. What gives?

ANSWER: This past March I got a call from Ohio. There has been a battle there to allow critical examination of evolutionary theory in public schools, and a gentleman wanted 40 copies of Tornado to give to state legislators and school board members. I was delighted to send him the books, but I also knew that a state legislator isn't likely to pick up anything that's 321 pages long.

Q: And not just state legislators.

A: Right. We live in an age when parents often don't have time to read anything long, and their kids, who are usually more into video, may not have the inclination.

Q: So what's the focus of this book?

A: I've divided it into three chapters. The first is called "Is Darwin's Theory Relevant to Our Lives?" In other words, is the subject of this book worth my time or not? A lot of people think this is simply a science issue. And to some of them, science is booooring. But actually, it's the teaching of Darwin's theory as a "fact" that starts many young people doubting the existence of God. Once we stop believing in God, we discard his moral laws and start making up our own rules, which is basically why our society is in so much trouble. In short, Darwinism is very relevant – it's much more than a science matter.

Q: You, yourself, were an atheist for many years, were you not, as a result of evolutionary teaching?

A: That's right. I thought evolution had discredited the Bible. In my books, I give examples of notables who became atheists from being taught evolution, such as Stalin and Carnegie. In fact, the atheist Boy Scout who's been in the news reportedly attributes his atheism to being taught evolution.

Q: Why do you think evolution has such a persuasively negative effect on faith?

A: First, it's taught as "scientific fact." When kids hear "scientific fact," they think "truth." Who wants to go against truth? Second, it's the only viewpoint that's taught. After the Supreme Court kicked God out of schools in the '60s, kids heard the evolutionist viewpoint exclusively. It's like going to a courtroom – if you only heard the prosecutor's summation, you would probably think the defendant guilty. But if you only heard the defendant's attorney, you'd think "innocent." The truth is, we need to hear both sides, and kids haven't been getting it on the subject of origins.

Q: OK, then what?

A: The second chapter is "Evidence Against the Theory of Evolution." Let's face it, no matter what Darwinism's social ramifications, that alone would not be a sufficient basis to criticize it, if it were scientifically proven true.

Q: In a nutshell – if that's possible – what is the scientific evidence against Darwinism?

A: In the book, I focus on six areas of evidence. First, mutations – long claimed by evolutionists to be the building blocks of evolutionary change – are now known to remove information from the genetic code. They never create higher, more complex information – even in the rare cases of beneficial mutations, such as bacterial resistance to antibiotics. That has been laid out by Dr. Lee Spetner in his book "Not By Chance."

Q: What else?

A: Second, cells are now known to be far too complex to have originated by some chance concurrence of chemicals, as Darwin hypothesized and is still being claimed. We detail that in the book. Third, the human body has systems, such as blood clotting and the immune system, that are, in the words of biochemist Michael Behe, "irreducibly complex," meaning they cannot have evolved step-by-step. Behe articulated that in his book "Darwin's Black Box." And then there is the whole issue of transitional forms.

Q: What is a transitional form?

A: Darwin's theory envisioned that single-celled ancestors evolved into invertebrates (creatures without a backbone), who evolved into fish, who evolved into amphibians, who evolved into reptiles, who evolved into mammals. Now, a transitional form would be a creature intermediate between these. There would have to be a great many for Darwin's theory to be true.

Q: Are there?

A: There are three places to look for transitional forms. First, there's the living world around us. We see that it is distinctly divided – you have invertebrates, fish, amphibians, reptiles and mammals. But we don't see transitionals between them. If these creatures ever existed, why did none survive? It is too easy to explain it away by saying they all became extinct. And of course, there is the question: Why aren't these creatures evolving into each other today? Why aren't invertebrates evolving into fish today? Why aren't fish growing little legs and so forth?

Q: Where else would you look for a transitional form?

A: In the fossil record. And here we have a problem of almost comparable magnitude. We find no fossils showing how the invertebrates evolved, or demonstrating that they came from a common ancestor. That's why you hear of the "Cambrian explosion." And while there are billions of fossils of both invertebrates and fish, fossils linking them are missing. Of course, there are some transitional fossils cited by evolutionists. However, two points about that. First, there should be a lot more if Darwin's theory is correct. Second, 99 percent of the biology of an organism is in its soft anatomy, which you cannot access in a fossil – this makes it easy to invest a fossil with a highly subjective opinion. The Piltdown Man and the recent Archaeoraptor are examples of how easy it is to be misled by preconceptions in this arena.

Q: What is the other place where you can look for transitional forms?

A: Microscopically, in the cell itself. Dr. Michael Denton, the Australian molecular biologist, examined these creatures on a molecular level and found no evidence whatsoever for the fish-amphibian-reptile-mammal sequence. He summarized his findings in his book "Evolution: A Theory in Crisis."

The last chapter is "Re-evaluating Some Evidences Used to Support the Theory" of evolution. That would include evidences that have been discredited, and also some evidences presented as proof that in fact rest on assumptions.

Q: What evidences have been discredited?

A: Ernst Haeckel's comparative embryo drawings. The human body being laden with "vestigial structures" from our animal past. Human blood and sea water having the same percentage of salt. Babies being born with "monkey tails." These are not foundational evidences, but they still hold sway in the public mind.

Q: You mentioned assumptions as proofs.

A: Yes. Anatomical similarities between men and animals are said to prove common ancestry. But intelligent design also results in innumerable similarities, as in the case of two makes of automobile. Also, what has been called "microevolution" – minor adaptive changes within a type of animal – is extrapolated as evidence for "macroevolution" – the changing of one kind of animal into another. However, a species is normally endowed with a rich gene pool that permits a certain amount of variation and adaptation. Certainly, those things happen. But the change is ordinarily limited to the confines of the gene pool. It doesn't mean a fish could adapt its way into being a human.

Q: You covered a lot of this ground in "Tornado in a Junkyard." Can readers expect something new from "The Case Against Darwin"?

A: There is a bit of new material, but no, if you've read "Tornado," or for that matter, if you read the July 2001 Whistleblower, where we looked at evolution, you already know most of the points. What's new is the size. This is a book to give to a busy friend, a book for a high-school student to share with his science teacher.

"The Case Against Darwin" by James Perloff is available from ShopNetDaily.


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To: Sentis
Viral infections have done more to create stable increases in genetic complexity than the other three combined but we are just now learning the process by which it works.

Totally false. There is no such evidence at all. Before one can make such a claim one has to show that even one single mutation has created greater complexity in any organism. There is no such proof.

301 posted on 01/14/2003 6:56:52 PM PST by gore3000
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To: Dataman
Unfortunately, you could prove to the FR evolutionists that the earth is round, show them the satelite photos, take them for a spin around the planet and they'd still say,

"Been there, done that, refuted it several times, where's your evidence?"

Well put!

302 posted on 01/14/2003 7:00:31 PM PST by gore3000
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To: Sentis
Yes and you can post time and time again refutations to the psuedoscience claims of FR creationists

Really? If the refutations have been posted numerous times then how come evolutionists cannot remember what they are and just post the refutation instead of insulting the poster whose statement they cannot refute????????????

303 posted on 01/14/2003 7:02:38 PM PST by gore3000
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To: Aric2000
I believe that that are a number of variables that drive evolution. Solar Radiation, Terrestrial radiation, Environmental changes, and last but not least Virus' and I believe bacteria would drive a creature to evolve as well.

You seem to have forgotten gravity, electrodynamics and the kitchen sink!

Let me just mention one - radiation. There were a couple of big experiments on that in 1945 called Hiroshima and Nagasaki. No one has ever found any favorable mutations from those events.

304 posted on 01/14/2003 7:06:14 PM PST by gore3000
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To: diode
Spontaneous generation has not been proved.

Yes, which is different from "Spontaneous generation has been disproved," which you said in post 297. Your description of Pasteur's experiment is much more accurate than mine (relying on memory is perilous). I think we agree that such work has nothing to do with the original generation of life on earth.

305 posted on 01/14/2003 7:08:20 PM PST by PatrickHenry (PH is really a great guy! Why don't the creos understand him?)
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To: gore3000
There is that life was intelligently designed and it cannot be disproven

For once we find ourselves on the same side of the argument. Inasmuch as ID can never be disproved, we agree that ID is not currently scientific theory, and has never been scientific theory. You go a step further than I and seem to imply that ID can never be a theory, but I'll leave that as your perogative.

As always, a pleasure conversing with you.

306 posted on 01/14/2003 7:21:34 PM PST by Condorman (All we've met is large, mutated animals. --Tom Servo)
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To: DWar
Why would eons of biologic evolutionary processes have simpliy ceased leaving no trace of evolutionary forms?

. . . um . . . er . . . oh yeah, they're democrats, eh? ;-))

307 posted on 01/14/2003 7:27:47 PM PST by GeekDejure
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To: bondserv
Re: Species. Okay, fine. The part of your post I was questioning was where you said that horses and donkeys were members of the same species. I suppose it was simply a typo that I took it seriously.

Do you think it likely that horses and donkeys, or jaguars and lions, diverged from a common ancestor some time ago?


308 posted on 01/14/2003 7:30:48 PM PST by Condorman (Any minute now, unspeakable horror. -- Tom Servo)
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To: PatrickHenry
Placemarker.
309 posted on 01/14/2003 7:38:17 PM PST by PatrickHenry (PH is really a great guy! Why don't the creos understand him?)
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To: PatrickHenry
placemarker as well.

310 posted on 01/14/2003 8:09:07 PM PST by Aric2000 (monkey see, monkey do?)
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To: gore3000
"post the refutation instead of insulting the poster whose statement they cannot refute"

Actually G3k you seem to forget I refuted you and you began you refutation by calling me a Liar. Hmmm you so resemble your own comments.


BTW what is the age of the Earth? Its the simple questions that so infuriates the creationists.
311 posted on 01/14/2003 8:14:02 PM PST by Sentis
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To: gore3000
" There is no such evidence at all. Before one can make such a claim one has to show that even one single mutation has created greater complexity in any organism. There is no such proof"

You might want to read the articles I posted before you call me a liar again mister Troll. Please refrain from responding to my posts until you answetr the question. What is the age of the Earth?
312 posted on 01/14/2003 8:16:24 PM PST by Sentis
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To: diode
"Although the Second Law may pose little direct threat to the theory of evolution, it implies that the universe had a definite beginning, and that matter is not eternal"

It does no such thing. It merely states that within systems matter/energy tends to move from an energetic state to a less energetic state. As we don't know how every force in the Universe works I am not at liberty to make broad statements as the the fate of matter in this universe neither are you.
313 posted on 01/14/2003 8:21:07 PM PST by Sentis
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To: gore3000
"Let me just mention one - radiation. There were a couple of big experiments on that in 1945 called Hiroshima and Nagasaki. No one has ever found any favorable mutations from those events. "

How do you know there aren't any have you personally went there and did a study of the flora and fauna of the area? Has anyone? Don't spout off about things you haven't got a clue about.

Here are some links to mutations among survivors.

http://www.ornl.gov/hgmis/project/alta.html

To sum up this article there aren't enough children of survivors to determine if there is an increase in the rate of mutations.

In fact DNA changes due to Radiation are most often harmful hmm any evolutionist will tell you that in fact. Also it is far to early to know if there were positive DNa changes resulting in the Blast.

The real point is that when you acknowledge there is change in the Basic DNA patterns of Humans due to radiation you are acknowledging evolution. If there is a change and that organism survives and can reproduce then the change in the code is carried to successive generations adding something new to the code itself be it good or ill.

Your admission that any change can take place in the code for the good or ill implies that the code can be altered by natural forces and that those changes can become part of the Human genome. You have in effect nullified your own argument.
314 posted on 01/14/2003 8:40:28 PM PST by Sentis
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To: Sentis
What is your claim of eternal matter?

Pseudoscience

What is your claim that all the matter in the universe was compressed to the size of an atom?

Pseudoscience

What about the claim that life arose from rock?

Anti-science

You believe in eternal dirt, but not an eternal God.
You believe the universe is expanding but fail to contemplate into what it is expanding.
You believe in the law of biogenesis yet also believe that life came from non-life.

Logic, the law of non-contradiction in particular, dictates that your reasoning is flawed, incorrect, false.

315 posted on 01/15/2003 6:42:02 AM PST by Dataman
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To: Dataman
"What is your claim of eternal matter?"

What is eternal matter I never claimed any thing about that ? I don't even know what your talking about?

"What is your claim that all the matter in the universe was compressed to the size of an atom?"

Hm never said that either however there is actually evidence that a explosion of massive proportions occurred I think 10 billion years ago and current scientific hypothesis suggests that the explosion is the remnant of the Big Bang.


"What about the claim that life arose from rock?"

I don't claim to KNOW how life first arose in fact I have been very open about the lack of solid evidence for the origin of the first life form. If you care to read anything I have wrote on this subject you would know that. I will say that there is also no evidence that your God exists None not one shred of physical evidence that any spook in the sky created life. Without any sort of evidence I am not going to make wild pseudo-scientific claims around a mythical being like you do. In fact I make no claims that aren't at least backed by a modicum of physical evidence you cannot say the same.


"You believe the universe is expanding but fail to contemplate into what it is expanding"

This was discussed at length on another thread and as I posted several; links on this subject I think I have contemplated quite a bit more than yourself on the subject.


"Logic, the law of non-contradiction in particular, dictates that your reasoning is flawed, incorrect, false."

Non-contradiction thats a laugh I'm the most logical and rational person you could happen to meet. You on the other hand have shown at least in this post an irrational emotional response when your belief system is questioned. I am afraid if people like you or your friend Blue boy were in charge your emotional instability would lead you to either stop most scientific endeavors that didn't support your religion or even go so far as imprison or murder those who disagree with you. I see little difference between people who perpetrate a Lie for Christ from people who do the same for Allah.



Basically your endeavors to disprove evolution with you Christian science is a case of mental masturbation. It doesn't really prove anything but to you it feels good. You can close your eyes and you can say it isn't so but science will move forward without the likes of you.
316 posted on 01/15/2003 7:50:04 AM PST by Sentis
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To: Sentis
Basically your endeavors to disprove evolution with you Christian science is a case of mental masturbation. It doesn't really prove anything but to you it feels good. You can close your eyes and you can say it isn't so but science will move forward without the likes of you.

I understand why you are threatened by the existence of God. Your emotional response is evidence of your fear.

You, being utterly logical and systematic, should not have to be told this:
You don't know me.
You don't know my background or education.
You don't know what I believe.

Therefore your ad hominem comments are fallacious.

The presuppositions behind evolution are irrational. They not only defy logic and science, they defy scrutiny. If you are an evolutionist, you are stuck with the irrational presuppositions behind the theory. "I didn't say that" does not shield you from the intrinsic flaws of the system which you embrace.

If you respond, please demonstrate the logic with which you claim to be familiar.

317 posted on 01/15/2003 10:17:05 AM PST by Dataman
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To: Dataman
To: Dataman

Unfortunately, you could prove to the FR evolutionists that the earth is round, show them the satelite photos, take them for a spin around the planet and they'd still say,

"Been there, done that, refuted it several times, where's your evidence?"

Well put!


302 posted on 01/14/2003 7:00 PM PST by gore3000
318 posted on 01/15/2003 10:37:27 AM PST by f.Christian (Orcs of the world: Take note and beware.)
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To: Dataman
Your use of big words and so-called logical fallacies are impressive. However, your supposition that scientists are somehow "illogical" or "irrational" (Two things science strives NOT to be) is odd coming from a guy who appears to believe in:

1) Ghosts
2) resurrecting the dead
3) miracles
4) a young earth
5) a global flood
6) woman created from man's rib
7) the effects of prayer
8) Satan

etc. I'll take research and science anyday over fairy tales, thanks!
319 posted on 01/15/2003 10:44:14 AM PST by whattajoke (We are all atheists. I just believe in 1 less god than you do.)
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To: f.Christian; gore3000; Dataman
I certainly think, "where's your evidence?" is a fair question to ask of the creo-crowd. I can't imagine why this is a thorn in your side... oh yeah, because you have none! Thanks for your time.

320 posted on 01/15/2003 10:47:36 AM PST by whattajoke (Evidence? We creo's don't need no stinkin' evidence!)
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