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Refuting Darwinism, point by point
WorldNetDaily,com ^ | 1-11-03 | Interview of James Perloff

Posted on 01/11/2003 9:53:34 PM PST by DWar

EVOLUTION WATCH Refuting Darwinism, point by point Author's new book presents case against theory in just 83 pages

Posted: January 11, 2003 1:00 a.m. Eastern

Editor's note: In 1999, author James Perloff wrote the popular "Tornado in a Junkyard," which summarizes much of the evidence against evolution and is considered one of the most understandable (while still scientifically accurate) books on the subject. Recently, WND talked with Perloff about his new book, "The Case Against Darwin."

© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

QUESTION: Your new book is just 83 pages – and the type is large. What gives?

ANSWER: This past March I got a call from Ohio. There has been a battle there to allow critical examination of evolutionary theory in public schools, and a gentleman wanted 40 copies of Tornado to give to state legislators and school board members. I was delighted to send him the books, but I also knew that a state legislator isn't likely to pick up anything that's 321 pages long.

Q: And not just state legislators.

A: Right. We live in an age when parents often don't have time to read anything long, and their kids, who are usually more into video, may not have the inclination.

Q: So what's the focus of this book?

A: I've divided it into three chapters. The first is called "Is Darwin's Theory Relevant to Our Lives?" In other words, is the subject of this book worth my time or not? A lot of people think this is simply a science issue. And to some of them, science is booooring. But actually, it's the teaching of Darwin's theory as a "fact" that starts many young people doubting the existence of God. Once we stop believing in God, we discard his moral laws and start making up our own rules, which is basically why our society is in so much trouble. In short, Darwinism is very relevant – it's much more than a science matter.

Q: You, yourself, were an atheist for many years, were you not, as a result of evolutionary teaching?

A: That's right. I thought evolution had discredited the Bible. In my books, I give examples of notables who became atheists from being taught evolution, such as Stalin and Carnegie. In fact, the atheist Boy Scout who's been in the news reportedly attributes his atheism to being taught evolution.

Q: Why do you think evolution has such a persuasively negative effect on faith?

A: First, it's taught as "scientific fact." When kids hear "scientific fact," they think "truth." Who wants to go against truth? Second, it's the only viewpoint that's taught. After the Supreme Court kicked God out of schools in the '60s, kids heard the evolutionist viewpoint exclusively. It's like going to a courtroom – if you only heard the prosecutor's summation, you would probably think the defendant guilty. But if you only heard the defendant's attorney, you'd think "innocent." The truth is, we need to hear both sides, and kids haven't been getting it on the subject of origins.

Q: OK, then what?

A: The second chapter is "Evidence Against the Theory of Evolution." Let's face it, no matter what Darwinism's social ramifications, that alone would not be a sufficient basis to criticize it, if it were scientifically proven true.

Q: In a nutshell – if that's possible – what is the scientific evidence against Darwinism?

A: In the book, I focus on six areas of evidence. First, mutations – long claimed by evolutionists to be the building blocks of evolutionary change – are now known to remove information from the genetic code. They never create higher, more complex information – even in the rare cases of beneficial mutations, such as bacterial resistance to antibiotics. That has been laid out by Dr. Lee Spetner in his book "Not By Chance."

Q: What else?

A: Second, cells are now known to be far too complex to have originated by some chance concurrence of chemicals, as Darwin hypothesized and is still being claimed. We detail that in the book. Third, the human body has systems, such as blood clotting and the immune system, that are, in the words of biochemist Michael Behe, "irreducibly complex," meaning they cannot have evolved step-by-step. Behe articulated that in his book "Darwin's Black Box." And then there is the whole issue of transitional forms.

Q: What is a transitional form?

A: Darwin's theory envisioned that single-celled ancestors evolved into invertebrates (creatures without a backbone), who evolved into fish, who evolved into amphibians, who evolved into reptiles, who evolved into mammals. Now, a transitional form would be a creature intermediate between these. There would have to be a great many for Darwin's theory to be true.

Q: Are there?

A: There are three places to look for transitional forms. First, there's the living world around us. We see that it is distinctly divided – you have invertebrates, fish, amphibians, reptiles and mammals. But we don't see transitionals between them. If these creatures ever existed, why did none survive? It is too easy to explain it away by saying they all became extinct. And of course, there is the question: Why aren't these creatures evolving into each other today? Why aren't invertebrates evolving into fish today? Why aren't fish growing little legs and so forth?

Q: Where else would you look for a transitional form?

A: In the fossil record. And here we have a problem of almost comparable magnitude. We find no fossils showing how the invertebrates evolved, or demonstrating that they came from a common ancestor. That's why you hear of the "Cambrian explosion." And while there are billions of fossils of both invertebrates and fish, fossils linking them are missing. Of course, there are some transitional fossils cited by evolutionists. However, two points about that. First, there should be a lot more if Darwin's theory is correct. Second, 99 percent of the biology of an organism is in its soft anatomy, which you cannot access in a fossil – this makes it easy to invest a fossil with a highly subjective opinion. The Piltdown Man and the recent Archaeoraptor are examples of how easy it is to be misled by preconceptions in this arena.

Q: What is the other place where you can look for transitional forms?

A: Microscopically, in the cell itself. Dr. Michael Denton, the Australian molecular biologist, examined these creatures on a molecular level and found no evidence whatsoever for the fish-amphibian-reptile-mammal sequence. He summarized his findings in his book "Evolution: A Theory in Crisis."

The last chapter is "Re-evaluating Some Evidences Used to Support the Theory" of evolution. That would include evidences that have been discredited, and also some evidences presented as proof that in fact rest on assumptions.

Q: What evidences have been discredited?

A: Ernst Haeckel's comparative embryo drawings. The human body being laden with "vestigial structures" from our animal past. Human blood and sea water having the same percentage of salt. Babies being born with "monkey tails." These are not foundational evidences, but they still hold sway in the public mind.

Q: You mentioned assumptions as proofs.

A: Yes. Anatomical similarities between men and animals are said to prove common ancestry. But intelligent design also results in innumerable similarities, as in the case of two makes of automobile. Also, what has been called "microevolution" – minor adaptive changes within a type of animal – is extrapolated as evidence for "macroevolution" – the changing of one kind of animal into another. However, a species is normally endowed with a rich gene pool that permits a certain amount of variation and adaptation. Certainly, those things happen. But the change is ordinarily limited to the confines of the gene pool. It doesn't mean a fish could adapt its way into being a human.

Q: You covered a lot of this ground in "Tornado in a Junkyard." Can readers expect something new from "The Case Against Darwin"?

A: There is a bit of new material, but no, if you've read "Tornado," or for that matter, if you read the July 2001 Whistleblower, where we looked at evolution, you already know most of the points. What's new is the size. This is a book to give to a busy friend, a book for a high-school student to share with his science teacher.

"The Case Against Darwin" by James Perloff is available from ShopNetDaily.


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To: Aric2000
FYI: My understanding is that Phaedrus is female.
161 posted on 01/12/2003 8:25:27 PM PST by Condorman (Creationist, eh? Are you going to misquote me now or later?)
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To: garbanzo
It is amazing how the arguments never change.

Why? Truth doesn't change.

162 posted on 01/12/2003 8:25:31 PM PST by GSHastings
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To: ContentiousObjector
Flat Earth Society Bump!

Spontaneous Generation Society Bump!

163 posted on 01/12/2003 8:27:00 PM PST by GSHastings
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To: Dominic Harr
Excellent post. A shame it's so woefully misunderstood.
164 posted on 01/12/2003 8:28:08 PM PST by Condorman (Creationists create it deeper than you can wade through)
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To: garbanzo
You guys live in a different world.

Two men become stranded on a remote island. As they explore the island they come upon a sandcastle with towers, buttresses and a drawbridge. The design of the castle is amazingly intricate.

One man comments, "Amazing what time and the ocean can create".

The other man looks at him incredulously and says, "No, there is someone else somewhere on this island".

The truth can be found in the simplest places sometimes.
165 posted on 01/12/2003 8:32:03 PM PST by bondserv
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To: metacognative
I don't have enough faith to believe that water runs uphill or life constructed itself.

What an ironic choice of "impossibilities." Water runs uphill all the time if it has ANY momentum (mass times velocity) and meets an unobstructed incline. This principle is used in the fireman's firehose to shoot liquid water several stories high to combat burning buildings. I'm sure you've seen such a thing -- they like to show it in news footage all the time.

Since velocity is motion and motion requires energy (energy = 1/2 mass times velocity squared) you can quickly see that uphill water movement can be driven by energy.

This is the same thing that drives simplicity to complexity here on earth -- the reversal of the so-called 2nd law of thermodynamics. In fact the 2nd law is carefully crafted to apply to CLOSED systems -- but the earth is not closed, it is open to energy input from the sun. So life on earth can evolve from the simple to the complex because energy input from the sun. Just like water can move uphill with energy input.

Someone said creationists and ID'ers are morons. I think that is a bit harsh. But it is accurate.

166 posted on 01/12/2003 8:33:25 PM PST by jlogajan
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To: Condorman
Hmm, whoops, oh well.

In the army they used to say, if they point a gun at you, SHOOT them. Didn't matter what sex they were... ;)
167 posted on 01/12/2003 8:35:01 PM PST by Aric2000 (The Theory of Evolution is Science, ID and Creationism are Religious, Any Questions?)
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To: jlogajan
Nice, VERY nice, very explanatory, any other creationist now wanna spout about how evolution goes against the 2nd law?

I thought not.

The problem I have with calling them Morons, is that morons are not expected nor are able to think. They seem to be able to, but just don't want to.

I call them fanatics, and are sheep just wanting and needing to be led around. Scares me for the future of this country, thank goodness they are a minority.
168 posted on 01/12/2003 8:41:48 PM PST by Aric2000 (The Theory of Evolution is Science, ID and Creationism are Religious, Any Questions?)
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To: bondserv
But here's where your parable falls short. The designed sandcastle was found on a stretch of otherwise natural beach. And the two men were presumably familiar with the works and design of other men.

It's the same with the arrowhead/stone axe design arguments. We may not know exactly who may have fashioned a particular arrowhead, but we can say with reasonable certainly what made it.

With that in mind, what would an undesigned universe look like? How would it differ from a created universe? And what do we know about the designer that we can point to a particular characteristic of our world and say definitively, "I recognize this handiwork."

And when you find out a) if there is a designer and b) where it is, let me know; I want to have a "chat" with this designer person about the lousy project specs exhibited by, f'rinstance, my lower back.

169 posted on 01/12/2003 8:47:43 PM PST by Condorman (MAN: Great concept, bad engineering.)
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To: RadioAstronomer
He's alive!
170 posted on 01/12/2003 8:57:27 PM PST by Saturnalia
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To: Aric2000
The world that I live in requires me to clean up the garage periodically. It has a nasty habit of becoming a mess.

If I let the garage go long enough, without me or another human organizing it, I am 100 percent positive it would become a heap of rubble. No matter how many storms, sunbursts, tornados, earthquakes, bugs or animals become involved.

Impartation of intelligence is required.

P.S. Billions of years of space dust measured 1/2 inch on the moon. This surprised the most brilliant scientists at NASA. Those pods on the lunar lander were huge. Don't always believe what you read.

171 posted on 01/12/2003 9:04:42 PM PST by bondserv
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To: bondserv
Don't always believe what you read.

I could say the same to you, but that would be attacking your religion.

HOW CONVENIENT!!
172 posted on 01/12/2003 9:08:00 PM PST by Aric2000 (The Theory of Evolution is Science, ID and Creationism are Religious, Any Questions?)
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To: bondserv
Two men become stranded on a remote island. As they explore the island they come upon nothing but sand. One says: "We must be alone." The Creationist says: "No, there is someone else somewhere on this island".
173 posted on 01/12/2003 9:08:59 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (A rolling stone gathers momentum.)
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To: Aric2000
That was my church lady impression, just in case nobody got the connection.
174 posted on 01/12/2003 9:10:24 PM PST by Aric2000 (The Theory of Evolution is Science, ID and Creationism are Religious, Any Questions?)
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To: Condorman
The designer created a system that is magnitudes of complexity greater than man can create today.

a.) Self-healing to a great extent.
b.) Cells that replicate but have information that limits their production. (Shave the hair on your arm and it will grow back only so long)
c.) Energy efficient use of fuel and dissipation of waste.
d.) Self-preservation instincts managed by a self-aware central processing unit.
e.) etc..

From an engineering point of view we are beyond marvelous. I don't believe the universe can create something way beyond our intelligence. Common sense seems to scream the obvious.

It is easier for me to believe in God than to believe in evolution. After all God claims to be more intelligent than us, and I would agree.
175 posted on 01/12/2003 9:44:20 PM PST by bondserv
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To: Stultis
Thanks for that link. It's pretty amazing glue that the mussels produce. I remember prying them off of the rocks as a kid and it was really tough.
176 posted on 01/12/2003 10:14:27 PM PST by fabian
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To: bondserv
It is easier for me to believe in God than to believe in evolution.

We tend to call seeking the "easier path" intellectual laziness -- but I guess that is a virtue in religious circles.

177 posted on 01/12/2003 10:24:46 PM PST by jlogajan
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To: bondserv
It is easier for me to believe in God than to believe in evolution.

You aren't falling into that false dilemma situation where those are two mutually exclusive possibilities, are you?

I don't believe the universe can create something way beyond our intelligence.

This is called "Argument from incredulity". The problem with it is that just saying "I cannot believe that it is possible" does not amount to evidence against it. Your inability to accept that evolution is possible falsifies it no more than someone refusing to believe that a multi-ton object could fly brings airplanes crashing down from the sky.
178 posted on 01/12/2003 10:38:51 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Two men become stranded on a remote island. As they explore the island they come upon nothing but sand. One says: "We must be alone." The Creationist says: "No, there is someone else somewhere on this island".

Then the Creationist kicks aside some sand and behold, "Lothlorien leaves never fall far from the tree. The mutant evolutionists will not kill Merry and Pippin".

179 posted on 01/12/2003 10:43:31 PM PST by bondserv
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To: bondserv
explain that evolution began with energy and elements combining to form proteins.

I haven't seen any reputable science texts that describe this as the 'beginning' of evolution. Every credible resource that I've seen states that evolution began only when life was already there. Evolution has nothing to do with how the first life forms came into being.
180 posted on 01/12/2003 10:45:12 PM PST by Dimensio
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