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Refuting Darwinism, point by point
WorldNetDaily,com ^ | 1-11-03 | Interview of James Perloff

Posted on 01/11/2003 9:53:34 PM PST by DWar

EVOLUTION WATCH Refuting Darwinism, point by point Author's new book presents case against theory in just 83 pages

Posted: January 11, 2003 1:00 a.m. Eastern

Editor's note: In 1999, author James Perloff wrote the popular "Tornado in a Junkyard," which summarizes much of the evidence against evolution and is considered one of the most understandable (while still scientifically accurate) books on the subject. Recently, WND talked with Perloff about his new book, "The Case Against Darwin."

© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

QUESTION: Your new book is just 83 pages – and the type is large. What gives?

ANSWER: This past March I got a call from Ohio. There has been a battle there to allow critical examination of evolutionary theory in public schools, and a gentleman wanted 40 copies of Tornado to give to state legislators and school board members. I was delighted to send him the books, but I also knew that a state legislator isn't likely to pick up anything that's 321 pages long.

Q: And not just state legislators.

A: Right. We live in an age when parents often don't have time to read anything long, and their kids, who are usually more into video, may not have the inclination.

Q: So what's the focus of this book?

A: I've divided it into three chapters. The first is called "Is Darwin's Theory Relevant to Our Lives?" In other words, is the subject of this book worth my time or not? A lot of people think this is simply a science issue. And to some of them, science is booooring. But actually, it's the teaching of Darwin's theory as a "fact" that starts many young people doubting the existence of God. Once we stop believing in God, we discard his moral laws and start making up our own rules, which is basically why our society is in so much trouble. In short, Darwinism is very relevant – it's much more than a science matter.

Q: You, yourself, were an atheist for many years, were you not, as a result of evolutionary teaching?

A: That's right. I thought evolution had discredited the Bible. In my books, I give examples of notables who became atheists from being taught evolution, such as Stalin and Carnegie. In fact, the atheist Boy Scout who's been in the news reportedly attributes his atheism to being taught evolution.

Q: Why do you think evolution has such a persuasively negative effect on faith?

A: First, it's taught as "scientific fact." When kids hear "scientific fact," they think "truth." Who wants to go against truth? Second, it's the only viewpoint that's taught. After the Supreme Court kicked God out of schools in the '60s, kids heard the evolutionist viewpoint exclusively. It's like going to a courtroom – if you only heard the prosecutor's summation, you would probably think the defendant guilty. But if you only heard the defendant's attorney, you'd think "innocent." The truth is, we need to hear both sides, and kids haven't been getting it on the subject of origins.

Q: OK, then what?

A: The second chapter is "Evidence Against the Theory of Evolution." Let's face it, no matter what Darwinism's social ramifications, that alone would not be a sufficient basis to criticize it, if it were scientifically proven true.

Q: In a nutshell – if that's possible – what is the scientific evidence against Darwinism?

A: In the book, I focus on six areas of evidence. First, mutations – long claimed by evolutionists to be the building blocks of evolutionary change – are now known to remove information from the genetic code. They never create higher, more complex information – even in the rare cases of beneficial mutations, such as bacterial resistance to antibiotics. That has been laid out by Dr. Lee Spetner in his book "Not By Chance."

Q: What else?

A: Second, cells are now known to be far too complex to have originated by some chance concurrence of chemicals, as Darwin hypothesized and is still being claimed. We detail that in the book. Third, the human body has systems, such as blood clotting and the immune system, that are, in the words of biochemist Michael Behe, "irreducibly complex," meaning they cannot have evolved step-by-step. Behe articulated that in his book "Darwin's Black Box." And then there is the whole issue of transitional forms.

Q: What is a transitional form?

A: Darwin's theory envisioned that single-celled ancestors evolved into invertebrates (creatures without a backbone), who evolved into fish, who evolved into amphibians, who evolved into reptiles, who evolved into mammals. Now, a transitional form would be a creature intermediate between these. There would have to be a great many for Darwin's theory to be true.

Q: Are there?

A: There are three places to look for transitional forms. First, there's the living world around us. We see that it is distinctly divided – you have invertebrates, fish, amphibians, reptiles and mammals. But we don't see transitionals between them. If these creatures ever existed, why did none survive? It is too easy to explain it away by saying they all became extinct. And of course, there is the question: Why aren't these creatures evolving into each other today? Why aren't invertebrates evolving into fish today? Why aren't fish growing little legs and so forth?

Q: Where else would you look for a transitional form?

A: In the fossil record. And here we have a problem of almost comparable magnitude. We find no fossils showing how the invertebrates evolved, or demonstrating that they came from a common ancestor. That's why you hear of the "Cambrian explosion." And while there are billions of fossils of both invertebrates and fish, fossils linking them are missing. Of course, there are some transitional fossils cited by evolutionists. However, two points about that. First, there should be a lot more if Darwin's theory is correct. Second, 99 percent of the biology of an organism is in its soft anatomy, which you cannot access in a fossil – this makes it easy to invest a fossil with a highly subjective opinion. The Piltdown Man and the recent Archaeoraptor are examples of how easy it is to be misled by preconceptions in this arena.

Q: What is the other place where you can look for transitional forms?

A: Microscopically, in the cell itself. Dr. Michael Denton, the Australian molecular biologist, examined these creatures on a molecular level and found no evidence whatsoever for the fish-amphibian-reptile-mammal sequence. He summarized his findings in his book "Evolution: A Theory in Crisis."

The last chapter is "Re-evaluating Some Evidences Used to Support the Theory" of evolution. That would include evidences that have been discredited, and also some evidences presented as proof that in fact rest on assumptions.

Q: What evidences have been discredited?

A: Ernst Haeckel's comparative embryo drawings. The human body being laden with "vestigial structures" from our animal past. Human blood and sea water having the same percentage of salt. Babies being born with "monkey tails." These are not foundational evidences, but they still hold sway in the public mind.

Q: You mentioned assumptions as proofs.

A: Yes. Anatomical similarities between men and animals are said to prove common ancestry. But intelligent design also results in innumerable similarities, as in the case of two makes of automobile. Also, what has been called "microevolution" – minor adaptive changes within a type of animal – is extrapolated as evidence for "macroevolution" – the changing of one kind of animal into another. However, a species is normally endowed with a rich gene pool that permits a certain amount of variation and adaptation. Certainly, those things happen. But the change is ordinarily limited to the confines of the gene pool. It doesn't mean a fish could adapt its way into being a human.

Q: You covered a lot of this ground in "Tornado in a Junkyard." Can readers expect something new from "The Case Against Darwin"?

A: There is a bit of new material, but no, if you've read "Tornado," or for that matter, if you read the July 2001 Whistleblower, where we looked at evolution, you already know most of the points. What's new is the size. This is a book to give to a busy friend, a book for a high-school student to share with his science teacher.

"The Case Against Darwin" by James Perloff is available from ShopNetDaily.


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To: Stultis
Creationists, for instance, are certain that Archaeopteryx is in no sense transitional, or indicative of any transition, between reptiles and birds.

That bird has no known ancestors and birds did not arise till more than 50 million years later. There is no way it can be claimed as either an ancestor to birds or as proof of Darwinian evolution.

101 posted on 01/12/2003 3:08:21 PM PST by gore3000
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To: Dimensio
Liked your typical 'dishonest evolutionist' tactic of actually trying to discuss the real theory of evolution rather than some creationist strawman version.

It is the evolutionists which give phony versions of their theory - because they are ashamed of it. Here is the theory - in Darwin's own words:

"It is interesting to contemplate an entangled bank, clothed with many plants of many kinds, with birds singing on the bushes, with various insects flitting about, and with worms crawling through the damp earth, and to reflect that these elaborately constructed forms, so different from each other, and dependent on each other in so complex a manner, have all been produced by laws acting around us. These laws, taken in the largest sense, being Growth with Reproduction; Inheritance which is almost implied by reproduction; Variability from the indirect and direct action of the external conditions of life, and from use and disuse;. a Ratio of Increase so high as to lead to a Struggle for Life, and as a consequence to Natural Selection, entailing Divergence of Character and the Extinction of less-improved forms. Thus, from the war of nature, from famine and death, the most exalted object which we are capable of conceiving, namely, the production of the higher animals, directly follows."
From: Charles Darwin, "On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life"

102 posted on 01/12/2003 3:12:55 PM PST by gore3000
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To: PatrickHenry
How do we get moved to the Smokey Backroom to minimize the "Blue Spew"?
103 posted on 01/12/2003 3:15:23 PM PST by balrog666 (PH is really a great guy!)
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To: Dimensio
No, development of an organism starting from a fertilized egg has nothing to do with evolution.

So you are making the absurd statement that when a species transforms itself into a totally new species with new faculties, new features, new abilities it does not need to change the developmental process of the species to achieve these changes? Are you really that clueless?

104 posted on 01/12/2003 3:15:50 PM PST by gore3000
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To: Dimensio
The statement that evolution implies atheism is already so obviously false as to not be worth denying.

Darwin and all the major proponents of evolution have been atheists. You call that coincidence I guess?

105 posted on 01/12/2003 3:17:10 PM PST by gore3000
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To: balrog666
How do we get moved to the Smokey Backroom to minimize the "Blue Spew"?

If you cannot win, have thread pulled. Shows exactly what you folks are. You cannot stand the light of truth.

106 posted on 01/12/2003 3:18:58 PM PST by gore3000
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To: gore3000
Darwin and all the major proponents of evolution have been atheists. You call that coincidence I guess?

No, I call that 'factually inaccurate'.
107 posted on 01/12/2003 3:23:33 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: gore3000
So you are making the absurd statement that when a species transforms itself into a totally new species with new faculties, new features, new abilities it does not need to change the developmental process of the species to achieve these changes?

No, I am saying that the development of a fertilized egg cell into a fully-formed individual with differentiated cells is not part of the study of evolution. Any other 'points' of mine that you'd like to make up?
108 posted on 01/12/2003 3:24:39 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: gore3000
You cannot deny his statements

In fact I can and do deny Perloff's implicit claim that evolution and creation are mutually exclusive and mutually exhaustive alternatives. This is a childishly simplistic claim that doesn't withstand the most cursory examination (e.g. the observation that versions of creationist belief, with progressive creationism in the middle, grade rather smoothly into evolutionary views) and is held exclusively by fanatics as a matter of dogma. However in the present case I limited myself to pointing out that this view of the issue is exactly the same as that of (what might be called) "scientific" or "naive" atheism.

Again, Perloff is in full agreement with the most aggressive and dogmatic sort of atheist about the philosophical framing of the "origins" issue. The only disagreement concerns the mere matter of which "side" is correct. IOW, Perloff is saying that, if you find evolutionary theory credible, you should be an atheist. To the extent, then, that Perloff's supposed "scientific" arguments against evolution are wanting (as they certainly are) he is promoting atheism.

109 posted on 01/12/2003 3:25:23 PM PST by Stultis
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To: gore3000
I see nothing in that paragraph where Darwin includes the ultimate origins of life as a prt of the theory of evolution.
110 posted on 01/12/2003 3:25:48 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: gore3000
Yup, but you attack the messenger instead of trying to disprove the message.

The message 'evolution leads to atheism' is dishonest and false, it's a widely discredited lie. Pretending that evolution requires that no gods exist is either an excercise in blatant dishonesty or irredeemable stupidity. There is neither the statement nor the implication that 'there are no gods' within the theory of evolution.
111 posted on 01/12/2003 3:27:40 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: gore3000
If you cannot win, have thread pulled. Shows exactly what you folks are. You cannot stand the light of truth.

I must admit that I really wonder if you truly are as stupid as you pretend to be.

112 posted on 01/12/2003 4:01:10 PM PST by balrog666 (PH is really a great guy!)
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To: gore3000
Darwin and all the major proponents of evolution have been atheists.

Darwin was not (as I have proved to you repeatedly) an "atheist," although he did come close later in life, and could be reasonably described as a religious skeptic or "free thinker." There have been many "major proponents of evolution" who have been theists. The first important defender of evolution in America, for instance, and the only American member of Darwin's "inner circle" (those with whom with he shared his ideas prior to their publication) was the Harvard botanist Asa Gray, an evangelical Christian. Another example is James Dwight Dana.

113 posted on 01/12/2003 4:09:31 PM PST by Stultis
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To: gore3000
That bird has no known ancestors and birds did not arise till more than 50 million years later.

Hehehe.

114 posted on 01/12/2003 4:12:42 PM PST by Stultis
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To: balrog666
How do we get moved to the Smokey Backroom to minimize the "Blue Spew"?

I donno. The mods move in wondrous ways.

115 posted on 01/12/2003 4:13:33 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Your tag had me going for a minute.)
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To: Dimensio
Actually the misunderstanding of the SLoT isn't any worse than the presumption of macroevolution.
116 posted on 01/12/2003 4:21:10 PM PST by WriteOn
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To: All
The quote from Darwin in post 102 omits the final sentence, which is this:
There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.
This gives a slightly different impression than the edited version in post 102.
117 posted on 01/12/2003 4:33:17 PM PST by PatrickHenry (PH is really a great guy!)
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To: Stultis
Actually, I'd forgotten gore3000's dishonest tactic regarding this matter. He insists that evolution is atheistic, then claims that anyone who accepts evolution is an atheist (he called Freeper Junior, who professes to be a Catholic, an atheist just because of Junior's acceptance of evolution). This way, using the 'gore3000' definition of atheist rather than any definition accepted by rational people, he can more or less 'honestly' call every prominent evolutionist an atheist, even if they professed a belief in a god.
118 posted on 01/12/2003 4:34:52 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: balrog666
I must admit that I really wonder if you truly are as stupid as you pretend to be.

I certainly think he is!

119 posted on 01/12/2003 4:35:22 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: RadioAstronomer
Hi, RA!
120 posted on 01/12/2003 4:37:14 PM PST by PatrickHenry (PH is really a great guy!)
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