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To: Imal; jamaksin
Timothy Wilford, Pearl Harbor Redefined: USN Radio Intelligence in 1941.
7 posted on 01/11/2003 10:44:24 AM PST by aristeides
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To: aristeides
Yeah, I know, I know. Please don't make me even think about the rat bastard in supreme command that sat back and let it all happen. Some names deserve to be lost to history, and that one's name can't be forgotten soon enough.

Yeah, he had his reasons, but as far as I'm concerned, there's a special place in hell for scum like him, and I hope he's having a terrible time there.

And may the men he let die be forever pissing down on him from Heaven.

10 posted on 01/11/2003 10:58:55 AM PST by Imal
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To: aristeides; Imal; swarthyguy
Thanks for the ping re the book. If you are into this, go to this link: ( Magic: The Untold Story of U.S. Intelligence and the Evacuation of Japanese Residents from the West Coast during WW II by David D. Lowman link)

Before you buy this book, for some real fun go to your local library and ask one of the politically correct librarians if they have this book or can borrow this book from a lending library.

I did this at our local libray with one of these creatures. At first she/it got really hostile when I showed her the printout telling about the book. Then she went on the computer got even madder and then suddenly changed. She asked how I knew about the author and this book. I said that friend on the internet told me about this book.

This weird interchange went on for about 7 minutes. My wife was watching it from about 25 feet away and came up at the final part. As the clipped hair and now semi friendly librarian, had entered the data for to try and get the book if not available, she would buy it in Feb. if I requested it at that time. As I thanked her, she smiled and asked if I was in the military, and I said a long time ago. She asked what branch and I said Navy. She smiled and said we will let you know if we find the book or need your request to order it.

My wife had watched the changes in her personality and said that on my next trip, I should ask this librarian if she was in the military and what she did. My wife said that if the book came in or I went back to talk to this liberian, she wanted a comfortable seat to watch act 2.

12 posted on 01/11/2003 11:13:20 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Support Free Republic. Become a monthly donor ! Taxcuts are for Taxpayers!)
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To: aristeides; All
The following oddities [there are obviously more] which I have noted over the past fifty years – in hopes of clearing up these discrepancies regarding the Striking Force sortie to Pearl Harbor and absolute (i.e., all frequencies and at all times) radio silence.

Consider:

A. From the Congressional Hearings of 1946, Part 36, page 126, there is that “famous” COMSUM14 of 30Nov41 - "The only tactical circuit [sic: radio circuit] heard today was one with AKAGI and several marus." [As this appears in the 'official' documentation it must be Holy Writ.]

B. From the Bantam paperback edition of Farago's "The Broken Seal" from 1968, in its Postscript (pages 379-402), particularly on page 379, is a letter from one H. W. Dickow, beginning:

" 'The Japanese ships,' his letter continued, 'did not observe total wireless silence. It was not necessary that they do so, because it is a simple matter for a ship to use its wireless apparatus without the fear of detection, as we have done in our own Navy on many occasions. ...' "

And just who is Mr. Dickow? Seems a radio expert of some note; in fact his references include Col. Robert Schukraft (of MAGIC fame), and Commodore Jennings Dow.

[N.B., While this Bantam paperback can be easily gotten, the copy at the FDR Library (Hyde Park, NY) has several pages from the Postscript missing – noted also by Wilford in his award-winning “Pearl Harbor Redefined.”]

And just what did Mr. Dickow mean by - " … as we have done in our own Navy on many occasions. ..." Very curious indeed?

Perhaps, in fact, it is the well-known intra-fleet communications procedures and equipment used by the navies of the world at the time for the receipt of messages on one frequency (say HF – used for long-range) along with their simultaneous (or “repeat-back) re-broadcast on another frequency (say LF - used for short-range). [Was not that one of HIEI’s assigned roles as Flagship BatDiv3 as shown in SRN 117089?]

[For those interested, please also see the famous tome, "History of Communications - Electronics in the United States Navy," Linswood S. Howeth (Captain, USN retired), Department of the Navy, Washington, DC, 1963.]

[Is there anything special about 375 kHz in the LF band related to Mr. Dickow's letter/interview?]

C. From Mr. Lanzendoerfer's H-DIPLO (H-Net Discussion Logs) posting of October 15, 2000, next to the last paragraph:

" ... when the Japanese well knew that they could be tracked by their transmissions, and when ...

it is a documented fact that during the voyage, when it was required to make a single, short, short-range radio message to the straggling tanker force ..." [Does this sound like AKAGI?]

Notwithstanding the myriad upon myriad upon myriad of Japanese Naval officers (e.g., diary, affidavit,… etc.) who said radio silence was absolute; although no such order to that effect (viz., ABSOLUTE RADIO SILENCE) has ever been found, and while other orders for short-wave (HF) and long-wave (LF) communications are made explicit in numerous places – e.g. SRN 117089, SRN 117687, SRN 115387, SRN 115435, …);

So,

1. How does one square absolute "radio silence" with items A through C above? Are the Congressional Hearings in error?

2. How was it determined to be AKAGI in item (A) above?

From Layton, page 317, beginning the last paragraph, " 'How do you know it's AKAGI?' I asked. Joe (sic: Rochefort) explained, 'It's the same ham-fisted radio operator who ...' "

Was another method used to identify AKAGI - viz., were not all the "known" radio operators left in home waters as part of a Japanese radio deception plan?

And what does "radio fingerprinting" mean as highlighted by Holmes ["Double-Edged Secrets: US Naval Intelligence Operations in the Pacific During WWII," Wilfred J. Holmes, US Naval Institute Press, 1979.]?

3. Given AKAGI was transmitting via radio [Holy Writ from item (A) above – that ‘official’ document] ... were RDF-bearings taken?

Once again, from Layton, same page in fact (page 317), at the top – but, please note two (2) errors:

(1) there is no such bearing as 363 degrees, and

(2) the so-called RDF "bilateral" ambiguity did not exist in 1941. (See Howeth again, especially Appendix M, for the US Navy capabilites in this area, the early work done at the Philadelphia Navy Yard in the 1920's). [Marconi Radio was granted the original patent on it circa 1905-1907 – used are a "null" antenna AND a "sense" antenna ... Also a search on HF/DF might gleen some more information …]

[N.B., Also note in Layton those comments on Prange’s methods and his connection to DugOut Doug.]

4. Given (A) above is a communications summary delivered on 30Nov41 ... where are the source documents (obviously in-hand earlier than 30Nov41)used to develop said summary? Curious – FOIA requests are denied here today – sixty plus years after the fact.

5. Why have none of the Mid-Pacific RDF reports (especially those in the LF range from station VICTOR) for the period leading up to Pearl Harbor been released?

There are many more of these discrepancies - to maintain a stance of (a/the)" ... record straight." can be a puzzle.

Or is it?

jamaksin

33 posted on 01/12/2003 5:05:19 AM PST by jamaksin
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