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To: Max McGarrity
Well, I guess I was wrong. All this time, I've been saying that these idiot smoke nazis were so enslaved by their addiction that they didn't care who they poisoned or offended.

Now, they come up with this persuasive, scientific proof. If Ditka says it's OK, that is as close to proof as these idiots are going to get.

He runs a public place and if I am in it, I don't want to be forced to suffer the by-product of some other customer's personal weakness or stupidity. Whether that customer is playing a radio at max volume, burning strong incense, burning tire chunks or burning tobacco, he does not have the right to take my freedom.

The smoke nazis refuse to recognize how annoying their addiction is and their name calling isn't going to change that. They claim that since they got there first, they can burn what they want. That's facist thinking. But, they have an authority like Ditka backing them and they know how important that is.

As you drive around Chicago, please be kind to the little groups of people huddled outside buildings, off to the side. That is the smokers' ghetto, where poor people, too weak to over come their terrible addiction, go to smoke and talk about the fine support they're getting from Ditka. Freeze your a** off, you stupid smoker!

7 posted on 01/10/2003 8:08:22 PM PST by Tacis
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To: Tacis
tacis, were you born a jerk or did you have to work at it?

He runs a public place and if I am in it, I don't want to be forced to suffer the by-product of some other customer's personal weakness or stupidity. Whether that customer is playing a radio at max volume, burning strong incense, burning tire chunks or burning tobacco, he does not have the right to take my freedom.

He does NOT run a "public place," he runs a PRIVATE BUSINESS! Your freedom is not to enter. If you do enter, it's Ditka's "air," not yours.

The smoke nazis refuse to recognize how annoying their addiction is and their name calling isn't going to change that.

Smoke is not nearly as annoying or offensive and you and your kind, at least to normal people. And YOUR name calling isn't going to change that.

Freeze your a** off, you stupid smoker!

You're such a shining example of your kind. Bet you failed your IQ test.

13 posted on 01/10/2003 8:18:15 PM PST by Max McGarrity
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To: Tacis
Find the logical flaw in my tagline, and I might bother to listen to your statist rants.

Truth to tell, both are of equal value. Doubleplusgood.

15 posted on 01/10/2003 8:19:08 PM PST by patton (Let A=B, and B=1. Then AB=AA, AB=A(^2), AB-B(^2)=A(^2)-B(^2), B(A-B)=(A+B)(A-B), B=A+B, A=0.So 1=0.)
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To: Tacis
He runs a public place and if I am in it, I don't want to be forced to suffer the by-product of some other customer's personal weakness or stupidity. Whether that customer is playing a radio at max volume, burning strong incense, burning tire chunks or burning tobacco, he does not have the right to take my freedom.

He owns a PRIVATE business. You do not have the right to inflict your whining little pansy beliefs on anyone else. You can either stay home in your HEPA filtered sterile environment or go to a different restaurant if you don't like smoke. I don't, haven't ever, and will not ever smoke but you anti-smoking NAZIS make me want to puke.
21 posted on 01/10/2003 8:26:50 PM PST by Tailback
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To: Tacis
So... since you've been "poisoned" by smokers, perhaps you'll offer up a few examples of what this "poison" has done.

Did it make you turn green, make you sick? Did it cause a brain tumor to start growing in your head within a few minutes?

Or perhaps the poison just made your nostrils a little uncomfortable.

27 posted on 01/10/2003 8:33:53 PM PST by Reactionary
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To: Tacis
He runs a public place and if I am in it, I don't want to be forced to suffer the by-product of some other customer's personal weakness or stupidity.

Sorry to disappoint you, but Ditka's restaurant is HIS restaurant. Its not a "public place". If he didn't like you, he could ban you from it. On the other hand, if you don't like smoke, instead of bitching, go elsewhere. If a restaurant allows smoking, and I decide to light up, I don't want to have to hear your snide remarks, or see your dirty looks. I want to enjoy my meal without a hassle. If I'm in a no smoking establishment, I don't smoke.

As for being weak or stupid: Some of us just enjoy it. Some people like sky-diving, but personally, I'll never jump out of a perfectly functioning airplane. Everyone chooses their own life style, and are entitled to. Who the he$$ do you think you are to mandate no smoking, no alcohol, no fatty foods, no salt, no sugar, etc. In fact, just to pi$$ you off, I'm going to run around the living room WITH SCISSORS!!!

31 posted on 01/10/2003 8:42:09 PM PST by Go Gordon
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To: Tacis
He runs a public place and if I am in it, I don't want to be forced to suffer the by-product of some other customer's personal weakness or stupidity.

You said it here. IF. You have a choice. If you don't want to be there, don't go! In fact Ditka himself tells you that! There other places to go.

The perfect solution is to have both types of restaurants and bars. Some that allow smoking and those that do not. Any patron in the wrong place is there of their own accord and has no reason to gripe.

Most restaurants had non smoking sections and that still wasn't good enough for the anti-smoke nazis. So now they want it all. Why should only non smokers be comfortable? By having both types of establishments smoking and non-smoking, then both sets of patrons can be comfortable.

As for workers, the same applies. You know when you fill the application whether or not the place allows smoking. Don't want the smoke, then don't apply. If you apply, then you have made a choice to accept the smoke as part of the job. Just like people in factories pr other work places that have to work with questionable materials. Sure safety standards say that you have the 'right to know', but that's it. You can't refuse to work with it, because it would cost you your job. I've been in that type of situation. Some work places tell you up front, so you can make your choice then. Continue with the application for employment or walk out the door.

Choice. It's all about choice. And just as the non smoker gets a choice about going to a smoking or non smoking environment, so too should the smoker be given that choice. The choice shouldn't be eliminated.

Would people like choice of soda limited to ONE? Or choice of beer limited to ONE? And that ONE determined by someone else?

A consumer driven market is based on CHOICE! jmo

33 posted on 01/10/2003 8:47:23 PM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: Tacis
He runs a public place and if I am in it, I don't want to be forced to suffer...

You sir, are on the wrong forum.

Perhaps you could be so kind and let us know what is wrong with the above statement. Just to help the thought process along, I have taken the liberty of bolding a few things you just might want to key in on.

Are SUV's ok? Guns? Turn off the test pattern, ok?

Now run along and slime your way back to DU. They love to assimilate your type.

LVM

34 posted on 01/10/2003 8:50:34 PM PST by LasVegasMac
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To: Tacis
"He runs a public place..."

No, he doesn't. He runs a privately owned restaurant. He *owns* it. Don't like it? Don't go there. Sounds like Mike has a pretty good grasp on reality, unlike an ever increasing number of citizens in this country.

FYI, it was the NAZIS who laid the groundwork for nationwide anti-smoking initiatives. Der Fuehrer, it will be recalled, was a homosexual vegetarian non-smoking teetotaling socialist. So we know who the fascists really are in all this. Good try, though!
36 posted on 01/10/2003 8:55:44 PM PST by Freedom4US
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To: Tacis
When Ditka's is smoke free, how are you going to get there? Might you drive over there in your SUV with an eight cylinder combustive engine. Well, I do not to breathe the exhaust from your car as a walk down. I know, sounds stupid. Because it is.

I am a non-smoker, and there is only a few things that bug me more than smokers. Rest assured that one of those things is non-smokers who moan about smokers.

38 posted on 01/10/2003 8:57:50 PM PST by LandofLincoln
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To: Tacis
He runs a public place and if I am in it, I don't want to be forced to suffer the by-product of some other customer's personal weakness or stupidity.

Simple solution: don't go there. How is that not a 'win' for all involved?

42 posted on 01/10/2003 9:32:02 PM PST by supercat (TAG--you're it!)
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To: Tacis
Re: Your #7: I am a smoker, and I find your words insulting, degrading, condescending, and outright goddamned rude...........

.......and you SURE wouldn't say it to MY face.

49 posted on 01/10/2003 9:56:48 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: Tacis
Your assinine reply proves your ingnorance and underlying desire to control something in your life which is amiss. Insulting remarks are not only insensitive but unwarranted. We are talking about individual rights. You have no right to insult intelligent, hard working AMERICANS. I will second a comment I read. You would never dare (or have the balls) to say that to my face.
52 posted on 01/10/2003 10:05:43 PM PST by davisdoug
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To: Tacis
He runs a public place and if I am in it, I don't want to be forced to suffer the by-product of some other customer's personal weakness or stupidity. Whether that customer is playing a radio at max volume, burning strong incense, burning tire chunks or burning tobacco, he does not have the right to take my freedom.

You have the freedom of not frequenting restaurants that do that. While restaurants can be considered public places, they are privately owned and I respect the rights of the owner to have whatever kind of "entertainment" he wishes to have in his restaurant. If he wants to play loud music, have people smoke, have girls dance naked on the tables, that's up to him. There are plenty of other restaurants to go to if I don't like it.

58 posted on 01/11/2003 4:57:30 AM PST by SamAdams76 (Whatever happened to Willam "Refrigerator" Perry?)
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To: Tacis
he does not have the right to take my freedom

Enlighten us please. What pray tell is your definition of freedom? Exactly how is Ditka limiting your freedom?

77 posted on 01/11/2003 3:21:25 PM PST by laredo44
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To: Tacis
"He runs a public place and if I am in it, I don't want to be forced to suffer the by-product of some other customer's personal weakness or stupidity."

WRONG !

He runs a private place and if you don't want to eat there you don't have to. You have your rights and we have ours ! I'm not a smoker but if a restaurant lets smokers smoke then it's their business not the Gov't. If the employees don't want to work there then they can work someplace else.

85 posted on 01/11/2003 4:56:08 PM PST by america-rules
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To: Tacis
He runs a public place and if I am in it, I don't want to be forced to suffer the by-product of some other customer's personal weakness or stupidity. Whether that customer is playing a radio at max volume, burning strong incense, burning tire chunks or burning tobacco, he does not have the right to take my freedom.

Then don't go in it. Its his public place, not yours.

89 posted on 01/11/2003 5:28:06 PM PST by meyer
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To: Tacis
"He runs a public place and if I am in it, I don't want to be forced to suffer the by-product of some other customer's personal weakness or stupidity. Whether that customer is playing a radio at max volume, burning strong incense, burning tire chunks or burning tobacco, he does not have the right to take my freedom."

So my little turnip, you are in a dance club, and what the music is too loud, something OSHA says is decibel hurting, and you being the stupid little statist wimp that you are, support the local, state, and federal governments forcing them to have to turn down the volume?

Ditto bright dance lights, obscuring dance floor fog.

Not that a paranoid little bootlick like yourself has gotten out to a club in the last 45 years. ”Cough, cough, my ears, my ears! My eyes, my eyes! I can’t see the dance floor, Mommy, take me home!

114 posted on 01/12/2003 10:40:13 AM PST by Leisler
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To: Tacis
Tacis; I don't know why facist left wing liberal communists like you are even on the conservative site. You belong with the neo nazis at the new republic. Second hand smoke is not a danger to people but neo nazi socialists with a totalitarian agenda use pawns like you to complain about second hand smoke and global warming and SUV's to further their hostile takeover of our FREE REBUBLIC; AMERICA! You are the typical liberal blind sheeple that has been led to serve liars and thieves who will take all your freedoms away and leave you penniless and a servant of the communistic new republic your masters are working for.
Grow up and learn tolerance and compassion for others.
125 posted on 01/12/2003 1:40:29 PM PST by wgeorge2001
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To: Tacis
Hasn't it gotten to the point that some smokers positively enjoy offending other people with their habit/addiction? They're "brave freedom-fighters opposing oppression" Kinda like tattoos and piercing? I agree with you that the offensive aspects of the weedburners addiction - the stench and ashes - are in and of themselves reason to ban their loathsome habit. Plus, since gum and patches are available, they have no credible defense for offending.
129 posted on 01/12/2003 2:59:41 PM PST by 185JHP ("I was neat, clean, shaved, sober, and FReeping!")
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To: Tacis
You are the kind of person that would go into a topless club and demand that all the girls should put their clothes on and stop offending you. If you don't like it, don't go there.
170 posted on 01/13/2003 8:13:52 PM PST by error99
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