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Pro-Pot Group Challenges Bush Marijuana Policy (BARF ALERT)
Focus On The Family | January 9, 2003 | David Brody

Posted on 01/09/2003 6:41:06 PM PST by Sparta

A pot-legalization group is taking on the White House over marijuana.

A group that wants to see marijuana legalized is angry with the Bush administration because they say the government is being too critical of pot.

The issue all started with a letter from Scott Burns, the deputy director of the Office of National Drug Control. In the letter, Burns told district attorneys across the country that they must better educate the public about marijuana use.

Keith Stroup, who heads up the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML), claims the administration is going over the top suggesting that marijuana is the biggest drug threat in America.

"We're simply going to call them on this lie," Stroup said. "The Bush administration, for some reason, is in the process of ignoring the real drug problems we face and instead focusing their entire anti-drug apparatus on responsible marijuana smokers."

But Burns said it's time to get serious about the problem.

"It's something that the administration, I believe, has an obligation to talk about," Burns said.

He added that in some parts of the country heroin is the biggest problem. In other parts, it's cocaine. But the common thread is marijuana.

"We can't ignore marijuana," Burns said. "Sixty percent of the folks addicted to drugs in this country are using marijuana. If we don't talk about it and talk about it loudly, we're ignoring two-thirds of the problem."

As for his letter to prosecutors to raise awareness about marijuana, he said the response has been sobering.

"I've received calls from prosecutors all across the country who have said, 'I didn't know,' " Burns said.

That is precisely the reason for the letter: to make sure everyone knows that the problem is getting worse every day.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News
KEYWORDS: libertarians4drugs; narcoanarchists; statists; whatfourthamendment; willlieforfood; willprosecuteforfood; wod; wodlist
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To: unspun
That's where you're wrong. Narcotics are pain-relieving, sleep-inducing, physologically addictive drugs that come from opium, opium derivatives, or the laboratory. Narcotics include opium, morphine, codeine, thebaine, heroin, hydromorphone, meperidine or Pethidine, methadone, Darvon, or Lomotil.
121 posted on 01/10/2003 8:32:51 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: unspun
Look up the definition of "narcotic"

From the National Institute on Drug Abuse web site: "Opiates are made from opium, a white liquid in the poppy plant. They're also referred to as narcotics."

122 posted on 01/10/2003 8:32:59 AM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: unspun
More from NIDA: "we do not suppose that the epidemiology of heroin and other narcotics encompasses the epidemiology of all drug use"
123 posted on 01/10/2003 8:37:31 AM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: MrLeRoy
I defend is the RIGHT to use. I don't defend the use and promotion of Marxist literature, but I do defend the right to publish and read it.

Reading material is one thing, ingesting it is quite another.

instead of showing greater concern about the root cause of why so many people need to distort their realities and/or run away from their problems

Only liberals think that's any of government's business.

Guess I just proved your opinion incorrect.

So you've abandoned your attempts to simultaneously defend the legality of alcohol and the illegality of marijuana?

I have no problem with stating, over and over again, I agree with the legality of alcohol, with restrictions, and the illegality of narcotics/weed. Is that clear enough for you?

Your problem is you think there should be no one telling adults what to do, unless, in your opinion, it’s an “okay” rule, according to your own personal standards. However, governments exist to protect ALL members of society from those who would/could do things to harm them or infringe upon their freedoms of safety and well-being.

For this we need laws; I want to be protected from people who think it’s okay to ingest mind-altering substances, from people with dulled or deluded senses from using mind-altering substances, just for fun.

124 posted on 01/10/2003 8:44:25 AM PST by nicmarlo (sick of lying liberal commie Rats...especially Daschole)
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To: nicmarlo
What I defend is the RIGHT to use. I don't defend the use and promotion of Marxist literature, but I do defend the right to publish and read it.

Reading material is one thing, ingesting it is quite another.

Irrelevant to the point of my analogy: defending the right to do X is not defending doing X.

instead of showing greater concern about the root cause of why so many people need to distort their realities and/or run away from their problems

Only liberals think that's any of government's business.

Guess I just proved your opinion incorrect.

No, more like I just proved you a liberal.

So you've abandoned your attempts to simultaneously defend the legality of alcohol and the illegality of marijuana?

I have no problem with stating, over and over again, I agree with the legality of alcohol, with restrictions, and the illegality of narcotics/weed.

What you do have a problem with is providing a rational defense of this position---which explains why in post 104 you bailed out of your failed attempt to do so.

125 posted on 01/10/2003 8:52:07 AM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: nicmarlo
I want to be protected from people who think it’s okay to ingest mind-altering substances, from people with dulled or deluded senses from using mind-altering substances, just for fun.

Alcohol is a mind-altering substance.

126 posted on 01/10/2003 8:53:01 AM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: nicmarlo
I want to be protected from people who think it’s okay to ingest mind-altering substances, from people with dulled or deluded senses from using mind-altering substances, just for fun.

And gun-grabbers want to be protected from shootings, and non-smokers from secondhand smoke, and the food police want to protect us from fatty foods, and [insert your personal protection desire here]. The point is, you have a right to be protected from someone causing you harm. You do not have the right to insist on a carte-blanche prohibition because they MIGHT do something - that is the attitude of a liberal - penalizing the possibility of misconduct, not misconduct itself. So ingesting pot at home is the same as ingesting booze at home, and they should become criminal only upon additional conduct that endangers others. Likewise with guns - they only become a problem when used in an unsafe, illegal manner.

127 posted on 01/10/2003 8:53:02 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: nicmarlo
See my #96 and #120.

You are an unconscious totalitarian, living proof of de Tocqueville's warnings.

128 posted on 01/10/2003 8:56:51 AM PST by headsonpikes
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To: MrLeRoy
I am not a liberal, I'm just not a libertarian and would never want to be, mostly because of their stands on drugs.

I have no problem defending my positions, but I'm not a scientist or doctor. Sometimes, all it takes is common sense to understand why a government must take action to protect innocents in society, obviously, you lack the commen sense necessary to understand why people should not have a RIGHT to take substances, for fun, which alters their mental/emotional states and, by so doing, affects and effects those around them, friends or strangers, financially, emotionally, and otherwise.

129 posted on 01/10/2003 9:05:26 AM PST by nicmarlo (sick of lying liberal commie Rats...especially Daschole)
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To: headsonpikes
not a totalitarian; just someone with sanity in this thread.
130 posted on 01/10/2003 9:05:59 AM PST by nicmarlo (sick of lying liberal commie Rats...especially Daschole)
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To: dirtboy
The Constitution affords us the right to bear arms; it does not afford each person the right to ingest substances which WILL and DOES harm others in society and society itself.
131 posted on 01/10/2003 9:06:59 AM PST by nicmarlo (sick of lying liberal commie Rats...especially Daschole)
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To: nicmarlo
However, governments exist to protect ALL members of society from those who would/could do things to harm them or infringe upon their freedoms of safety and well-being.

If you truly believe a person smoking a joint in his or her living room right now harms or infringes upon your safety or well-being, pick up a Yellow Pages and find yourself an ambulance chaser to file a claim for you in civil court. Let us know how you do.

132 posted on 01/10/2003 9:08:06 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: nicmarlo
I want to be protected from people who think it’s okay to ingest mind-altering substances, from people with dulled or deluded senses from using mind-altering substances, just for fun.

Your mindset here is the same as the cops raiding the bars in Fairfax County, arresting patrons - on the grounds that they just might drive drunk later. And both are just as wrong.

133 posted on 01/10/2003 9:09:33 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: nicmarlo
I am not a liberal

Prove it---tell us what you think should be done about "the root cause of why so many people need to distort their realities and/or run away from their problems."

I have no problem defending my positions

You have utterly failed to defend the idea that alcohol should be legal but marijuana illegal.

people should not have a RIGHT to take substances, for fun, which alters their mental/emotional states

Then why not ban alcohol, which alters the user's mental/emotional states?

134 posted on 01/10/2003 9:09:57 AM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: Wolfie; vin-one; WindMinstrel; headsonpikes; philman_36; Beach_Babe; jenny65; AUgrad; Xenalyte; ...
WOD Ping
135 posted on 01/10/2003 9:10:17 AM PST by jmc813 (Go Jets!!!!)
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To: dirtboy
In the absence of any real common sense on the issue, at least in the U.S., I applaud the folks who suffer from the "if it might hurt me, it must be made illegal" mentality. They're achieving more and more success, as evidenced by the ever expanding smoking bans, and the advent of cops busting drinkers in bars. I figure the more resources used to police everybody else, the less left over to hassle me.
136 posted on 01/10/2003 9:11:52 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: nicmarlo
The Constitution affords us the right to bear arms; it does not afford each person the right to ingest substances which WILL and DOES harm others in society and society itself.

That's ironic. The liberals don't give a whit about the 2nd Amendment, and you don't give a whit about the concept of limited government (read the 9th and 10th Amendments and get back to me). So you both wish to criminalize activity (gun ownership, pot use) on your perceptions that it may harm you, therefore it should be illegal. You're both on the same page.

137 posted on 01/10/2003 9:12:15 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: nicmarlo
"just someone with sanity"

Right. Your next brilliant move will be to have dissidents such as anti-WOD activists declared 'insane' and locked up to protect themselves and 'society', as you so politely put it.

You lack imagination and insight.
138 posted on 01/10/2003 9:12:39 AM PST by headsonpikes
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To: nicmarlo
it does not afford each person the right to ingest substances which WILL and DOES harm others in society

So EVERY TIME any person smokes marijuana that person then goes out and harms someone?

and society itself.

How does Joe Smith's smoking a joint in his living room "harm society itself," and how is this harm any of government's business?

139 posted on 01/10/2003 9:12:46 AM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: nicmarlo
Sometimes, all it takes is common sense to understand why a government must take action to protect innocents in society, obviously, you lack the commen sense necessary to understand why people should not have a RIGHT to take substances, for fun, which alters their mental/emotional states and, by so doing, affects and effects those around them, friends or strangers, financially, emotionally, and otherwise.

Ah, our good friend common sense. Common sense drug laws. Common sense gun laws. Common sense smoking regulations. Common sense food laws are coming soon to a government near you. You are entititled to your own common sense. That, however, does not make it MY common sense, so that is why we have the concept of limited government - to keep you from imposing YOUR common sense on me. Because I'll damn well drink beer tonight when I get home and get a good beer buzz if I damn well please, and if I were inclined to smoke pot, I would do that as well and you could go pound sand. Because your rights to govern me as to my behavior end once I'm on my property. Or they used to, until you and your coherts in the liberal busybody community decided that I was unfit to tend to my own affairs.

140 posted on 01/10/2003 9:16:37 AM PST by dirtboy
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