A Nation of Laws?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C74955%2C00.html ^ | January 08, 2003 | By Bill O'Reilly

[Spiff]

Help. Need translation of what looks to be for Hispanics Only!

The Spanish on the SSS page is a graphic, not text. I downloaded the .gif file to my PC and ran an OCR program on it. I took the resulting text and ran it through the babelfish translator (Man, I love technology) and got this:

It connects of the Service of Inmigraciôn and Naturalizaciôn (INS)

We are thankful to him that System through the site of the INS in the Aqui Network has been connected with the Selective Service is where the men can register in line as of the 12:01 a.m. of Monday until the 11 p.m. of the sãbado one, hour of the central zone. The system in good condition is not neither in the days Sunday nor in the holidays of the federal Government, and either during brief periods of daily maintenance.

The federal laws require that the men of at least 18 years of age, that todavia have not fulfilled the 26 years, esten enrolled in the Selective Service. This includes all the noncitizen men who are within those you limit of age and which they reside pemanentemente in the U.S.A.. The men who have the "green card" must register. Those that they also live in the U.S.A. without documentation of the INS (foreign Undocumented people) must register. They cannot register who have fulfilled the 26 years of age. The nonimmigrants do not have to register who are very temp in the U.S.A. (the personnel of diplomatic bodies or commercial missions, visitors or students with valid visas etc).

It is not required that the noncitizen ones register which they enter the U.S.A. like permanent residents after to have turned the 26 years of age, by to have exceeded the age limits. The women do not register because the law is not applicable to them. The inscription in the Selective Service does not mean that a man is entering to the Armed Forces of the U.S.A.. Of that means, he is in favor so single indicating the Government to him where it is possible to be found to him in case that the men were ilamados to be in the military due to a future national emergency. Even in case of emergency, not ilamaria to all the men, and those are not reclutarian all that were ilamados.

If a man does not register as he requires the law he will not be able to obtain: ciudadania American (when a person who is not citizen asks for the citizenship) use in the Government; vocacional qualification (under program JTPA); loans nor subventions for university studies. To register in line will take a minute hardly him. For it it must have I number of valid Social Security. If it is connected to this site in the Internet during the hours on watch, clicks in ~NEXT~ to pass to Ia page of inscription. Otherwise, it tries again when the system is available.

Of course, some of this is messed up because no OCR is perfect (I had to edit a bit - years came out "anuses", hehe) and the translator isn't perfect either. But you should be able to understand it enough to know what it says.

[madfly]

Yes, thanks for all the work. I wonder why it was done that way. What is an OCR program? Do I want one? lol

[weikel]

How many bookshelves could your local, state and federal criminal code fill up?

[bankwalker]

Another 9-11 will only bring more "Patriot" acts not more security and certainly not more border security

Neither of us has a crystal ball, so I'll concede that this is one possible outcome. I happen to believe, however, that another 9-11 will kill liberalism in this country for at least the next 50 years or so. This will give us lawmakers and judges that will make and enforce laws that are the opposite of the liberal rubbish we deal with today.

The process has already begun. 9/10/2001 was the most insane day in the history of the USA. The attacks the following day were a wakeup call and the beginning of the end for the liberals. The process is slow, but the trend is right. Another attack will speed it up. Be patient and plow one row at a time.

[ExpandNATO]

My point is that we should be looking at enforcing our laws, laws already on the books, instead od yelling for the military at our borders.

Why not both?

Securing the borders (either a beefed up border patrol or the military or both) means fewer illegals get in making the life of local law enforcement easier, because they no longer have to deal with a flood.

[EBUCK]

Your crystal ball analogy is a good one...point taken.

I'm just afeared of wht might happen if, rathern than taking the fight to those responsible, government again cracks down on us at home.

EBUCK

[CJ Wolf]

Well you know at least here in Fairfax and Herdon our cops have better things to do, like look for drunks in bars.

[caisson71]

Because our military is supposed to be trained to "kill" the enemy. We never want to unleash our potent military on our soil. AND, we can't have it both ways. We can reorganize and properly staff INS, Coast Guard or the border patrol but NEVER should compromise our military for the sake of shortsighted goals.........that's why!

[ExpandNATO]

Border protection is hardly a shortsighted goal and has in times been the function of the US military. "Killing" is not the only goal of a military, consider that Roman legions patrolled the borders of the empire as well as battled the enemy.

There are a number of military functions that would be highly useful in border protection. Scouting and recon units would have a good exercise spotting illegals and other intruders, special forces teams going into Mexico to recon deeper to find assembly points. Plus the Mexican military would find the US military a much less appetizing target than the Border patrol.

[Poohbah]

special forces teams going into Mexico to recon deeper to find assembly points.

What happens when the SpecOps people get caught and get 5-10 in a Mexican prison for illegal immigration?

[american spirit]

Speaking of adherence to the the laws, just think of all the employers in this country who've hired illegals knowing full well they're evading mulitple payroll taxes to boot. The amount of tax $ not being collected is probably a phenomenal amount and on top of that the wages are minimal because they know that the suckers will be taxed to cover their employees needs for gov't. services. This double standard is just another factor sending us down the slippery slope of national suicide.

[ExpandNATO]

Then Mexico has a day to return them alive or else. Mexico has already made clear its disdain for our sovereignty (via matriculas consular for their illegals and other actions). We can return the favor until they change their attitude.

[Poohbah]

Then Mexico has a day to return them alive or else.

Or else what? We'll invade Mexico? I thought the idea was to keep all those people OUT of US-controlled territory.

[caisson71]

It is a stretch to compare our present day military to the masses of Roman legions. And, it IS the mission of the military to "kill the enemy". Any resources available to our military for surveillance, probing expeditions, etc. are also available to local law enforcement agencies - they have their SWAT teams. Our military certainly would be less "appetizing" than any border patrol and that's the point of it - our military could blow their butts to kingdom come if necessary but that would be the cause of consequences greater than the problem (of illegal immigration). I'm not in favor of exposing our military to a no-win situation. Illegal immigration is a "civilian" problem and should be resolved by civilians and civilian agencies.

[ExpandNATO]

Invade long enough to rescue our troops or to read enough government papers to figure out who ordered our troops killed, remove those responsible, then leave (ala Grenada).

[Poohbah]

Invade long enough to rescue our troops or to read enough government papers to figure out who ordered our troops killed, remove those responsible, then leave (ala Grenada).

What troops were killed, aside from those who resisted a perfectly legal arrest?

OK, we send in a rescue force, and discover that the Mexican government was expecting them (it IS kinda obvious).

Now you have the recon teams AND the rescue force detained for 5-10 for illegal immigration, and we're starting to look downright silly in the process (we're supposedly putting the military to work to stop illegal immigration, and we're committing that felony ourselves).

[steplock]

I liked your answer so well, I borrowed most to send to my congress"persons", governor, and local news agencies - for my safety.

To: FrontPorchRadio; Congressman Mike Ross; editor@hotsr.com; vvoice@DIRECLYNX.NET; Sob_Editor; editor@sierratimes.com; blanche_lincoln@lincoln.senate.gov; mpryor@sprintmail.com; voices@ardemgaz.com; mike.huckabee@state.ar.us
Subject: Illegal Aliens - Answer this one, if you dare.


DO not IGNORE this letter...If you do I will have no other alternative than to correctly assume that you are AGAINST upholding the LAWS of the United States of America and are therefore GUILTY and should be fully prosecuted under the proper U.S.Codes. Also, your lack of any action will also be interpreted as AIDING and ABETTING the illegal aliens in their attempts at subversion of our laws. Now you cannot claim you were IGNORANT of the laws of the United States of America.

All illegal males from ages 18 - 26 can be charged with a felony (and prevent non-citizens from becoming a citizen) if they have not registered with Selective Service. If they would enforce that law, it would not be in violation of immigrants rights, which is where so much of the lobbying comes from. It would be a law that applies to ALL males of all color from all countries, who are not exempt for certain visas.

As to the requirement for illegal aliens to register with Selective Service. I just saw this on the INS Website:
http://www.ins.usdoj.gov/graphics/howdoi/selsvc.htm


Federal law requires that men who are at least 18 years old, but not yet 26 years old, must be registered with Selective Service. This includes all male non-citizens within these age limits who permanently reside in the United States. Men with "green cards" (lawful permanent residents) must register. Men living in the United States without INS documentation (undocumented aliens) must also register.
On the Selective Service website the penalty for not registering:
http://www.sss.gov/qa.htm#quest4


What is the penalty for not registering?
If you do not register, you could be prosecuted and fined up to $250,000 and/or be put in jail for up to five years. Registration is also a requirement to qualify for Federal student aid, job training benefits, and most Federal employment.
The following information as well:


Are illegal alien males required to register?
Yes. All immigrant alien males, other than those admitted on nonimmigrant visas, must register, whether or not they have a green card.

ALIENS ** REQUIRED TO REGISTER?
Lawful non-immigrants on visas (e.g., diplomatic and consular personnel and families, foreign students, tourists with unexpired visas (Forms I-94, I-95A), or those with Border Crossing Documents (Forms I-185, I-186, I-444). No
Permanent resident aliens. Yes
Special (seasonal) agricultural workers (Form I-688). Yes
Special agricultural workers (Form I-688A). No
Refugee, parolee, and asylee aliens. Yes
Undocumented (illegal) aliens. Yes
NOTE: Immigrants who did not enter the United States or maintained their lawful non-immigrant status by continually remaining on a valid visa until after they were 26 years old were never required to register. Also, immigrants born before 1960 who did not enter the United States or maintained their lawful non-immigrant status by continually remaining on a valid visa until after March 29, 1975 were never required to register.


Also, if an illegal alien over the age of 26 ever resided in the U.S. while he was between the ages of 18 and 26 and did not register with Selective Service before he turned 26 he can be denied U.S. citizenship.


[Representative Marion Berry of Arkansas does NOT allow citizens of Arkansas to eMail him directly. Is HE too good for us citizens?]

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Now, if I disappear, or end up in a V.A. looney room, y'all will know why.

[ExpandNATO]

What troops were killed, aside from those who resisted a perfectly legal arrest?

What I said, if any American troops are killed at any point by the Mexican government, we remove those responsible.

OK, we send in a rescue force, and discover that the Mexican government was expecting them (it IS kinda obvious).

Are you seriously suggesting that the Mexicans could hide a force big enough to take on an airmobile division (the 82nd or 101st)? Anything that big can be found and pounded to pieces by the USAF.

Now you have the recon teams AND the rescue force detained for 5-10 for illegal immigration

You are assuming that the person ordering this rescue would so stupid as to send something that can be captured.

[Poohbah]

What I said, if any American troops are killed at any point by the Mexican government, we remove those responsible.

One of the price tags of engaging in warlike acts is that you don't have a hell of a lot of leeway for complaining when the other guy treats it as a war.

Are you seriously suggesting that the Mexicans could hide a force big enough to take on an airmobile division (the 82nd or 101st)? Anything that big can be found and pounded to pieces by the USAF.

They don't send whole divisions to rescue a few soldiers, particularly soldiers who were operating in gross violation of international law.

You are assuming that the person ordering this rescue would so stupid as to send something that can be captured.

I hate to tell you this: rescue missions tend to be small forces of men. They can be captured. A green beret does not make one bulletproof.