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To: Polybius
I tire of your fatuous, brainless inability to distinguish between my position on the rebel flag from the extreme positions of, for example, the NAACP on other issues, or of ultra-liberal school boards on George Washington.
209 posted on 01/11/2003 2:10:52 AM PST by maro
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To: maro; stand watie; sarasmom
I tire of your fatuous, brainless inability to distinguish between my position on the rebel flag from the extreme positions of, for example, the NAACP on other issues, or of ultra-liberal school boards on George Washington.

Your position, maro, is simply that everyone has to agree that the Confederate battle flag is “tainted” and to wear it is analogous to wearing a swastika in order “to celebrate Auschwitz” at worst or a symbol of "white power" at best. (Post 56)

If someone does not agree with your position, maro, then you proclaim them to be ”brainless” (Post 209) or accuse them of not being believing that slavery is evil (Post 200).

Your arguments, maro, are identical to the NAACP's race-baiting:

“If you do not agree with my position on ( insert topic here ), then you are ( insert ad hominem attack and accusation of racism here ) .”

Although U.S. Army bases were named in honor of Confederate warriors at a time when the Union veterans of the Grand Army of the Republic were still alive and had absolutely no objections to such an honor, you, maro, who obviously have no military background, have decreed that such men's names have “no place in the armed forces”.

Although the Stars and Stripes was flown by U.S. white soldiers at the Cherokee Trail of Tears and black Buffalo Soldiers in the West during the Indian Wars, you, maro, take it for granted that a descendent of the Sioux such as “sarasmom” or a descendent of the Cherokee such as “stand waite” will not equate the Stars and Stripes with the ethnic cleansing of vast portions of 19th Century America.

Your position, maro, is simply that you have decreed that the flag flown in battle by Virginians when defending Virginia from invasion from men from Massachusetts, Indiana and Ohio is "tainted" and it's dislay is analogous to the display of the Nazi swastika but that the flag flown in battle by black Buffalo Soldiers killing Indians to ethnic cleanse the American Frontier should be perfectly acceptable to all.

In short, maro, you, have taken it upon yourself to decree which military men and military flags in American History shall be considered Politically Correct and which military men and military flags in American History shall be considered Politically Incorrect.

You, maro, have taken it upon yourself to decree which modern Americans have a moral right to honor their warrior ancestors and which modern Americans must not do so lest they offend someone.

You have taken it upon yourself to decide which modern Americans have a right to demonize the ancestors of other modern Americans without question and which modern Americans merely have the duty to accept that demonization without question.

Sarasmom’s comments to you bear repeating:

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To maro:

As a transplanted yankee, born and raised in the North, I understand your attitude, and I hope you can come to understand what the South considers the extremely offensive and naked hypocrisy of the North.

This country endured a vicious and brutal civil war. The death toll was huge, on both sides. The actual battlefields were primarily located in the Southern states, who did indeed lose that war. Northern women were not brutally raped by invading soldiers. Northern homes were not burned to the ground. Northern landowners were not summarily deprived of family owned property. Northerners did not endure the decades of poverty and subjugation and the attempt of the "victors" to completely erradicate a society.

After all these years, one would think the North would get over their pride of victory and attempt to deal honestly with history and reality.

BTW, speaking historically on behalf of my Sioux ancestors, why don’t you all get off my lands, and take your slaves with you? LOL!

Or am I, and my people, not an equally deserving minority who obviously would be mortally offended by the sight of a particular flag? ......Sarasmom.
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“Tainted” and analogous to wearing a swastika in order “to celebrate Auschwitz”.....according to maro.


Buffalo Soldier, 25th Infantry......Sorry, "sarasmam" and "stand waite". Native Americans are not on Maro's list of which modern Americans have the right to be mortally offended by the warrior ancestors of other modern Americans.


Confederate veterans of Pickett's Division and Union veterans of the Philadelphia Brigade trading ceremonial battle flags on July 3, 1913 at the Gettysburg 50th Anniverssary Reunion.

"Comrades and friends, these splendid statues of marble and granite and bronze shall finally crumble to dust, and in the ages to come, will perhaps be forgotten, but the spirit that has called this great assembly of our people together, on this field, shall live for ever."...........-Dr. Nathaniel D. Cox, July 2, 1913 at Gettysburg.

Sorry, Dr. Cox. You were wrong. People like Maro have decreed that the Bloody Shirt should be dug up and waved again and that selected groups of Americans should once again engage in the sport of demonizing the ancestors of other fellow Americans.

210 posted on 01/11/2003 11:12:50 AM PST by Polybius
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