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To: WhiskeyPapa
And you'll find almost no reference to colonization from Lincoln for the rest of the war.

He said in that address before congress, when he advocated a constitutional amendment for colonizing blacks, ""I cannot make it better known than it already is, that I strongly favor colonization." I doubt he woke up the next day, after pushing for a constitutional amendment, and changed his mind. Especially considering that the EP threat had already been issued, and the deadline was about to be reached in the next few weeks.

The commissioner of colonization reported to Lincoln in October, 1864 that he had not been paid since June, and that all his files had been removed "long before."

Somehow I think you know the reason for that and are obfuscating the true history for your own purpose. The radicals had something to do with that, and not with Lincoln's support. If that isn't so, please show it.

Lincoln tried to get blacks and whites to buy off on colonization, saying to a group of border state represrentatives: "Upon these considerations..."

Damn, Walt. He was trying to get them to endorse compensated emancipation and COLONIZATION. Here's a part you DELIBERATELY LEFT OUT OF THE SAME ADDRESS:

Room in South America for colonization, can be obtained cheaply, and in abundance; and when numbers shall be large enough to be company and encouragement for one another, the freed people will not be so reluctant to go.

You are one sick freak, man. You actually post from a PRO-COLONIZATION document and then claim its the opposite. You're not a victim of revisionism, you're twisted. If this is not the case, and you were victimized by some other source, please post it so ALL can know to avoid it. BTW, thanks for the additional pro-colonization source.

In the Hodges letter of 4/4/64 he said:

Where in the letter does he mention a change in his colonization policy, or even hint at it? He doesn't. Not once, ever. He is only justifying his decision to arm blacks and try to draw labor and fighting resources from the South. You're making it say things it does not say. You might as well post sections of the phone book as "proof".

President Lincoln knew that for better or worse, blacks were going to be living in this country and he said: "When you give the Negro these rights, when you put a gun in his hands, it prophesies something more: it foretells that he is to have the full enjoyment of his liberty and his manhood."

I had not questioned your earlier use of this quote, but I will now. Where, exactly, is it from? I cannot find it in the many Lincoln archives on the net. But otherwise, I see nothing in the quote that would affect his well established goal of colonization. Lincoln had always maintained that blacks had the right of freedom and should be able to fairly excercise that right amongst themselves, removed from what he saw as the natural domination that would occur if they lived amongst whites. There is nothing in this quote to indicate any change in that view.

189 posted on 01/10/2003 3:43:22 PM PST by thatdewd
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To: thatdewd
He said in that address before congress, when he advocated a constitutional amendment for colonizing blacks, ""I cannot make it better known than it already is, that I strongly favor colonization." I doubt he woke up the next day, after pushing for a constitutional amendment, and changed his mind.

That is pretty much what happened -- once black soldiers were fighting under Old Glory.

Walt

192 posted on 01/10/2003 4:26:17 PM PST by WhiskeyPapa (To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men)
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To: thatdewd
And you'll find almost no reference to colonization from Lincoln for the rest of the war.

He said in that address before congress, when he advocated a constitutional amendment for colonizing blacks, ""I cannot make it better known than it already is, that I strongly favor colonization."

That was 12/01/62. Find something said by Lincoln later. It's not there.

You neo-rebs want to look at the early Lincoln and then try to convince the gullible that he didn't change, but he did.

At the end of his life -- no matter what he said in 1858 or 1862 -- he was advocating full rights for blacks.

Walt

194 posted on 01/10/2003 4:54:32 PM PST by WhiskeyPapa (To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men)
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