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To: Kozak
So let me get this straight. A woman consents to sex, voluntarily goes to a private place where only the participants are present, they begin to have intercourse, and THEN changes her mind.

Confusing to all people except those who wish to remove any responsibility from women in sexual activities.

But YES doesn't always equal yes? And now we are just supposed to take a womens word that in the privacy of the bedroom Yes became NO?

And she went in their more than once, even after at least one of them admitted he wanted to have sex with her and two guys said "why wont you do stuff?". Like I posted before, I bet she was the type that wanted to be seen as "cool" and thus wouldn't just leave and not give the time of day to those types of guys.

Bottom line. Women if you want to avoid this situation don't put yourself in the position for it to happen. It's YOUR responsibility. Don't be in the back seat, don't be in his house, don't go to his hotel room or dorm room, don't be in the bedroom at a party because that implies YES in any rational world.

I wish everyone could understand this and stop playing sexual games.

148 posted on 01/07/2003 10:40:55 AM PST by FreeTally (If its illegal to drink and drive, why are there parking lots at bars?)
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To: FreeTally
Bottom line. Women if you want to avoid this situation don't put yourself in the position for it to happen. It's YOUR responsibility. Don't be in the back seat, don't be in his house, don't go to his hotel room or dorm room, don't be in the bedroom at a party because that implies YES in any rational world.

With the new information I do agree that this was rape. The boys certainly knew she wasn't enthusiastic, and she did make at least a half-hearted protest.

But honestly, all concerned acted stupidly. Any girl who cannot be firm and know to immediately extricate herself from this place shouldn't be going anywhere unsupervised.

Unfortunately the only ones who can be punished are the boys and that punishment is fairly harsh. I'm not sure I could vote to convict in a case such as this. That could depend upon the attitude of those involved while in court (for example if the boys were acting cocky and arrogant, or if she was acting virginal and outraged, I might think that the lessons which ought to have been learned by this incident haven't been learned). If they were all just a bunch of upset, seemingly sincere kids I'd probably vote no and just let them learn from what happened.

160 posted on 01/07/2003 2:22:36 PM PST by Dianna
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