Angry White Male (Rush Limbaugh)

My source is Cong. Tom Tancredo who took a fact finding mission to Az. and was briefed by members of the Border Patrol. I heard the man describe his trip there on a talk show and I invite you to contact his office or do a search on his fight against illegal immigration, something very few Congress critters or certain talk show hosts lack the stones to do.

This is how you decide if the Mexican military incursions are fact?

You still supply no quoted source that claims to have seen a Mexican military incursion into our country. The information I've seen simply shows, that Tancredo hasn't been quoted as seeing a Mexican military incursion, that Tancredo simply received an anonymous phone call and that the person making that anonymous phone call doesn't even claim to have seen a Mexican Military incursion or to even know somebody specifically who has seen such. The anonymous phone caller simply told Tancredo that a GS-11 agent has seen a Mexican military incursion. So you have an anonymous source who describes what another anonymous source has supposidly seen. THAT'S YOUR LEVEL OF PROOF -- you self-described non-robotic person -- YOU!

Prove me wrong or else sit down and SHUT UP!

Nonsequitor -- it doesn't follow that if I can't prove something wrong, then that something must be true.

No wonder you hide behind a meaningless derogatory -- "Shut up" remark.

Ok, I'll go real slow for you. Anyone with a lick of common sense could figure out that if a public figure like Tancredo comes on a radio broadcast and decries the fact that there have been over 20 incursions into the USA by Mexican troops there is a reasonably good chance he's correct? If his comments weren't truthful wouldn't Mexico be screaming bloody murder about such unfounded allegations? Why would someone of his stature be willing to sacrifice his credibility and standing in his community to just make up such an astounding statement like that? Now, you may not have access to those types of facts based on your seemingly limited understanding of current events but I do have empathy for you.

Tancredo may not be to your liking as a Congressman but he does have the stones to speak out against this whole illegal immigration mess, something that very few members of Congress or various talking heads have the courage to do.
Whether you believe his statements or not is immaterial. His statements are on record and if you think this is some sort of fabrication I just challenge you to contact his office and prove him and me wrong....simple as that.

Your insults are cowardly -- if you had something real to say you wouldn't be afraid to say it without insult. The fact reamins that you can't produce a quote from anybody who has seen a Mexican Military incursion. That would trouble 98% of most people at FR. However, you in your judgement are proud to formulate an opinion in such a manner.

Your logic -- if a politician says it, then it must be true -- that's YOUR above logic in your statement. You complain about other posters on this thread being robots of certain politicians. The shoe fits for -- YOU -- which also makes you a hypocrite.

I just challenge you to contact his office and prove him and me wrong....simple as that.

More logic from Americn Spirit -- if you can't prove something wrong, then it must be true.

#1, I'd say if anyone is cowardly it's probably you because you refuse to even attempt to call his office and verify any of the details regarding this issue. Does the thought of actually confronting someone even on the phone terrify you that much? Or, are you just afraid that your obviously fragile belief system may be punctured with some knowledge I would agree is probably hard to believe...but is a fact whether you want to believe it not. Now if your obviously feeble psyche cannot come to come to terms with certain real world issues beyond the usual daily yada, yada you seem to be plugged into... hey man I feel for you, I really do.

Also, you keep wanting to shift the focus of this discussion to somehow needing a quote from someone who actually witnessed these incursions for some sort of validation although my assertions were based solely on Cong. Tancredo's comments. Doesn't make sense, on one hand you want to question my statement, which is your right, yet you're unwilling to contact his office for denial or corroboration...why? You're other fundamental error is that you wrongly classify Tancredo as a politician which he is not, he is a statesman because he's willing to take the heat from the dumbed-down public on critical issues like illegal immigration and it's devastating impact on our children's future. You see, that's what a statesman does...base his work on the betterment of future generations, not just the here an now. You can base your beliefs on any talking head or politician you want but as for me I'll side with those statesmen not afraid to speak out against the alleged "wisdom of the day".

Also, you keep wanting to shift the focus of this discussion to somehow needing a quote from someone who actually witnessed these incursions for some sort of validation although my assertions were based solely on Cong. Tancredo's comments. Doesn't make sense, on one hand you want to question my statement, which is your right, yet you're unwilling to contact his office for denial or corroboration...why?

Why are you afraid to actually cut and paste what I actually say, when you respond. You seem not to care about actual quotes Also, you continue to hide behind insult after insult. I challenge you to make one post without using insult. If you can't do that, then don't post to me again.

Their have been no named witnesseses that claim to have seen Mexican miltary incursions. Tancredo has given no named witnesses that have seen Mexican military incursion. If Tancredo has given no named witnesses in all of his press statements and TV appearences, then why the h*ll should I call him up?

You can base your beliefs on any talking head or politician you want but as for me I'll side with those statesmen not afraid to speak out against the alleged "wisdom of the day".

I base my beliefs on evidence. You base your beliefs on faith in politicians.

I don't hide behind anything and in fact if you perceive my comments as insults towards you then I'm sorry if I hurt your tender feelings. I stand by my original stance regarding a US Congressmsn's public outcry against Mexican troop incursions and because CNN didn't cover it doesn't mean it's a falsehood. This little rabbit trail of needing an on the scene report is pure nonsense. I doubt you apply the same standards to some of the fluff and self-promotion you must be addicted to hearing on a daily basis.

I don't hide behind anything and in fact if you perceive my comments as insults towards you then I'm sorry if I hurt your tender feelings.

"Shut up...lick of sense" and much more. Your judgement tells you that these are not insults. The definition of the word insult -- to treat with rudness -- shows that they are insults.

You are correct however, that it doesn't necessarily follow that feelings are hurt, if insults are used.

I stand by my original stance regarding a US Congressmsn's public outcry against Mexican troop incursions and because CNN didn't cover it doesn't mean it's a falsehood. This little rabbit trail of needing an on the scene report is pure nonsense. I doubt you apply the same standards to some of the fluff and self-promotion you must be addicted to hearing on a daily basis.

Nowhere in any of my posts did I say that because CNN or any other news organizations of similar ilk does not cover "Mexican military incursions", that therefor these "incursions" must not be true. Maybe that's why you don't cut and paste such a quote from any of my posts. You again misrepresent what I say. That's your judgement -- again.

This is what I do say -- Tancredo has been on unedited TV programs and has given unedited press releases. He has not used one named source to demonstrate that these incursions have taken place. That is my standard -- your judgement misrepesents my standard and your standard of proof is clearly different.

I'm really not sure why you're so hung up on whether his statements have to be edited or unedited in order to meet some sort of criteria you've set to determine whether this issue is fact or fiction. I don't know how many times it has to be said but his statements were not refuted by any high ranking US or Mexican gov't official and surely the open border useful media idiots would've worked day and night just to prove him wrong....and that was not the case.
Doing a simple search on Yahoo regarding Mexican troops/Tancredo will yield numerous references to this matter as well as a quote from Bill King, a former highly ranked Border Patrol official who echoed everything Tancredo has said on the matter. If you won't do that much then I can't help you any more, try as I might.

Also, if you have a problem with my observations/judgements then so be it. Usually, I don't get too strident about these issues unless unless I'm having dialogue with those who have a fairly shallow level of understanding concerning these critical issues facing this country and constantly try to shift the focus of the argument away from the topic at hand and my observation is that you may fall in that category. Don't take it personally, just a challenge to dig a little deeper for truth than you may have done previously.

Sounds to me like you're real blissful in your state of Rush induced ignorance mixed in with a liberal dose of arrogance. Just the perfect mixture Rush needs in continuing his quest to keep the sheeple in line to be sheared in the not too distant future. If you really believe Rush is capable of disseminating info that gives an accurate understanding of what's really happening to this country then all I feel is pity. I guess the phrase "ignorance is bliss" had to be coined by a dumbed-down dittohead because it sure applies to most of his listeners and you seem to fit the profile.

A couple of guesses...

I'll bet you're one of the conspiracy types that Rush commonly speaks of : They consider him a "Traitor to true conservative values".

I'll bet you're a Michael Savage fan.

How'd I do?

Yeah, the record does stand as far as your futile efforts to deflect the content of the issue at hand towards some little contrived rabbit trail because you just cannot handle the thought that many national issues are far more complex than you've been led to believe by your favorite talking head. Our problems extend well beyond the usual liberal vs. conservative yammering some of us are exposed to on a daily basis.

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