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To: MHGinTN; capitan_refugio; Swordmaker
Okay, let's forget the Apollo landing, and talk moon atmosphere physics...

First, I'm no boiling water IQ over here. As stated, I just hold on to a little common sense. Something that may not work on the moon! Here is my question, with some thumbnail sketches to help me along... Pic1 is a rock in the soil of the moon. Half of it is exposed.

Pic2 below, shows what I would think the erosion of soil around the rock would look like regardless of the atmospheric conditions of the moon. I understand the fact that "Drifting may not occur, but, what elements/forces would cause the back of the rock to clear along with the front?

Pic3 below shows a completed thrust blast(Module landed). This IMO should be the case with every large pebble/rock under the module...Pic 4 illustrates a plan view of the rock.

Now, I am not arguing the landing on the moon...to be honest, I could give a rats ass. I just seen this early on, and if the elements on the surface of the moon are as you say, there should be minute signs of my presentation above. If there is not means for my proposal, Why? ...in laymens(sp?) please...

SR

215 posted on 01/06/2003 7:30:12 AM PST by sit-rep
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To: sit-rep
I grabbed the following explanation from badastronomy.com I hope it helps:

" Once again, the weird alien environment of the Moon comes to play. Imagine taking a bag of flour and dumping it onto your kitchen floor (kids: ask your folks first!). Now bend over the pile, take a deep breath, and blow into it as hard as you can. Poof! Flour goes everywhere. Why? Because the momentum of your breath goes into the flour, which makes it move. But note that the flour goes up, and sideways, and aloft into the air. If you blow hard enough, you might see little curlicues of air lifting the flour farther than your breath alone could have, and doing so to dust well outside of where your breath actually blew.

That's the heart of this problem. We are used to air helping us blow things around. The air itself is displaced by your breath, which pushed on more air, and so on. On the Earth, your breath might blow flour that was dozens of centimeters away, even though your actual breath didn't reach that far. On the Moon, there is no air. The only dust that gets blown around by the exhaust of the rocket (which, remember, isn't nearly as strong as the HBs claim) is the dust physically touched by the exhaust, or dust hit by other bits of flying dust. In the end, only the dust directly under or a bit around the rocket was blown out by the exhaust. The rest was left where it was. Ironically, the dust around the landing site was probably a bit thicker than before, since the dust blown out would have piled up there.

I think the root of the problem is you can't use Earth atmosphere observations and apply them to the moon. The moon provides a setting where you almost have to think in pure Newtonian physics examples.

257 posted on 01/06/2003 1:15:05 PM PST by capitan_refugio
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