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To: Jhoffa_
I agree with part of what you are saying. We can't deport American Muslims because they Americans. As much as I don't like them near me, violating their rights as an American citizen should not be done. Keep an eagle eye on them, yes, because they are not to be trusted, but we can't deport real, legal American citizens.

However--there are plenty of asylum seekers, illegals, and those on a variety of different visas that can go right out the door. They are not American citizens, and thus, in these times have no right to be here. Nor do we have an obligation to keep them here. IMHO, those people need to be booted right back to their homelands, and there they can stay until this is over. And if it is never over? Well, I guess no more Arabs/Muslims can come back in.

I am with you in that I do not want to see thousands more be slaughtered by anyone. I don't think the West wants to engage in a war against Islam. But, Muslims are forcing our hand. If they force us to fight them, what are we going to do? We can't just lie down. We have to fight back. So if they won't stop this insane crap, what other choice do we have?
153 posted on 01/05/2003 3:03:30 PM PST by Morrigan
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To: Morrigan
I agree with part of what you are saying. We can't deport American Muslims because they Americans. As much as I don't like them near me, violating their rights as an American citizen should not be done. Keep an eagle eye on them, yes, because they are not to be trusted, but we can't deport real, legal American citizens.

Yes, Thank you.. We completely agree.

I think this is completely reasonable, principled and constitutional. I am shocked to find that others do not. And, as you say, illegals have no right to be here anyway.

I think a great model for this was our dialogue with the Taliban. I am not a huge Dubya fan, but I think he handled that wonderfully. If you remember, it went something like this:

US: Give Us Osama, now.

Taliban: Nothing doing, piss off.

US: You had better give us Osama, or it's your @ss in the sling right along with his.

Taliban: So be it.

US: Okay. Suits us fine either way.

I thought that was the height of fairness. We got the job done and we did it in a principled fashon.

156 posted on 01/05/2003 3:11:42 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: Morrigan
//We can't deport American Muslims because they Americans. As much as I don't like them near me, violating their
rights as an American citizen should not be done.\\

You are, perhaps, LEGALLY correct, but I maintain that Islam is not a legitimate religion, it is a political movement dedicated to the overthrow and destruction of everything our forefathers worked so hard -- and sacrificed so much -- to establish, build, protect and maintain. Islam, therefore, is INCOMPATIBLE with Western values and its practice should be OUTLAWED in Western societies.

Our Constitution is not a SUICIDE PACT.

//Keep an eagle eye on them, yes, because they are not to be trusted, but we can't deport real, legal American citizens.\\

Now, you're talking. I in no way advocate violence against these people. The so-called American Muslims should be given three clear choices: Either publicly abandon the practice and defense of Islam and actively join the AMERICAN culture, OR submit to being placed in well-built Detention Centers -- OR join the Moslem brotherhood in one of THEIR countries thus renouncing one's American citizenship voluntarily forever.

In case I have not been clear I would certainly advocate allowing them to take whatever rightfully belonged to them away with them. I deplore the idea of a government right to forfeiture. THAT was the REAL mistake -- and as far as I am concerned, the ONLY mistake -- we made in interning the Nisei after Pearl Harbor.

We have no right to STEAL even from our enemies, but we MUST deny them any access to the levers of political power -- and to our courts. Otherwise, we may wind up DEAD.
283 posted on 01/06/2003 12:50:24 PM PST by Odile
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