Postcard USA: Open Season on Islam

Daily Times [Pakistan] ^ | January 5, 2003 | Khalid Hasan

[Mrs. Obelix]

The latest insult to Islam comes in the form of a new book - "Islam Unveiled" - by Robert Spencer which rejects the thesis that Islam is a religion of peace or that it has been hijacked by a minority of extremists. It is open season on Islam in America.

[Kevin Curry]

America is a great place for Muslims. They are far freer and more safe here than any Christian is in almost any Muslim country that can be named. Why? Because our laws and traditions are informed by a strong Judeo-Christian sentiment and understanding. Their laws and traditions? Ask Muhammad.

If you dare.

[Kozak]

Here you go....

[Jhoffa_]

Why? Because our laws and traditions are informed by a strong Judeo-Christian sentiment and understanding.

It's also based on the track record of past theocracies. Men have failed horribly in this regard and cannot be trusted to administrate any religious state. Christian, Muslim or otherwise.

[Odile]

Islam is not a RELIGION it is a PERVERSION of RELIGION and in the West it is a SUBVERSION!

I have never advocated -- nor do I NOW advocate -- VIOLENCE towards Muslims, but I feel PASSIONATELY that as of 9/12/01 we should have begun implementing a massive DEPORTATION of all foreign Muslims.

Also, we should also have made it IMPOSSIBLE for any Muslims EVER to VISIT us again. We should then, have closed all the mosques, made the practice of this PERVERSION of RELIGION completely ILLEGAL and UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

All American Muslims (a contradiction in terms by my lights, since the teachings of Islam are diametrically opposed to our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution) should have been placed under strict surveillance and possibly house arrest.

The one thing we cannot tolerate is INTOLERANCE, and ISLAM is the ESSENCE of aggressive intolerance and the vilest sort of bigotry.

The writer of this article in my opinion is a FOOL. So is anybody else who claims there is room in the United States of America for any movement that seeks to undermine the dominant culture and traditional mores of this society.

"By their fruits ye shall know them."

The fruits of Islam are abundantly evident in the backward, despotic, monstrously inequitable, almost uninhabitable countries of the Middle East. They are seen in the callous, unrepentant arrogance of the spokespersons for CAIR and other apologists for this disgusting travesty of religious faith.

[Centurion2000]

It is open season on Islam in America.
That is correct..

Not yet it's not.

Let a chem or bio warhead go off in an American city and it sure will be.

[sweetliberty]

"I am pointing out the unconstitutionality and inherent immorality associated with mass deportations, vigilantism and other forms of religious tyrany."

Okay, I'll give you that vigilantism isn't a good thing, unless of course the government refuses to take authority and protect the people leaving the people to protect themselves. But I fail to see how mass deportation of residents in this country who are not citizens and who are here from countries that are known to support terrorism and who practive radical forms of Islam is unconstitutional. I would say rather that it is the responsible thing to do. I also don't see how you equate it with religious tyranny. It isn't Christians and Jews that are financing terrorists or flying planes into buildings. I do not believe that religious freedom as established by the founding fathers was ever meant to protect demonic cults. If you embrace vipers you're gonna get bit, and if we embrace Islam, we're gonna suffer for it, even more than we already have. It isn't like the peaceful Muslims of the U.S. have done ANYTHING at all to assure us that they are Americans first and that we have nothing to fear from them. Maybe because they know better.

[TJFLSTRAT]

Any intelligent reading of the Koran, will show the reader that Islam is a religion based upon the insane rantings of an opium polluted, demon possessed child rapist {Mohammad}.

[Odile]

/I still don't think it's wise to arbitrarily start tossing people out though.\\

Well, I DO! When you find cancer cells in the body, you've got to neutralize them before they finish you off while you writhe in agony. Deportation is not violence.

If we could isolate these barbarians in the Middle East --which is the ONLY place they properly belong -- we might stand a chance of living in peace once again.

We ain't gonna convert THEM, and they sure as heck ain't gonna convert US, so if we don't get them outta her, they will eventually try to DESTROY us.

It's written in their foul Book of Religious Perversion.

[Jhoffa_]

But I fail to see how mass deportation of residents in this country who are not citizens and who are here from countries that are known to support terrorism and who practive radical forms of Islam is unconstitutional.

It depends on their status, you can remove an illegal arbitrarily. You can target a non-citizen for removal based on first amendment activities, as long as you can deport them for other reasons.

And targeting innocent Muslim citizens over their religion is totally unconstitutional. You can't do that.

[Jhoffa_]

Well, I DO! When you find cancer cells in the body, you've got to neutralize them before they finish you off while you writhe in agony. Deportation is not violence.

You can't deport all non-citizens arbitrarily. There is judicial review and you must bear the burden of proof.

You can't deport Muslim citizens for being Muslims, period. It's unconstitutional.

[sweetliberty]

" You can target a non-citizen for removal based on first amendment activities, as long as you can deport them for other reasons."

Non-citizens are guests in this country and we have every right to remove them for whatever reason we choose, even as we have the right to kick guests out of our homes for whatever reason we choose. Chances are we wouldn't throw a guest out of our homes without good reason. I dare say that if I found a guest in my home to be practicing Islam, that would give me enough cause for concern that I would not want them in my home and more than I'd want a Satan worshipper in my home. In my opinion, there is little difference.

[Jhoffa_]

Non-citizens are guests in this country and we have every right to remove them for whatever reason we choose, even as we have the right to kick guests out of our homes for whatever reason we choose.

There are provisions for this. (like an anti-anarchist provision from the 20's for example) However, you can't do it arbitrarily. There is a judicial review.

[sweetliberty]

"But the people who fly planes into buildings, who slit babies' throats, who beat women to death...they are demons."

Sometimes it is important to state the obvious. Thanks.

[Auntie Dem]

I've tried to read all this thread before responding to your incessant rants over the alleged (yours) insistance that our government doing anything to the Isalmofascist religion is unconstitutional, but I just couldn't wait any longer. Your claim is pure POPPYCOCK!

This country has already established a precedent of interfering in the beliefs and practices of religion in America. The federal government and several states interfered in the religion of the Mormons. Missouri even issued an extermination order against them (we could use another Lilburn Boggs to issue one against the muslims now couldn't we?). And all for believing in and practicing the biblically approved practice of polygamy.

The federal government hounded the Mormons all the way to Utah, arrested and imprisioned many "Pligs", seized church properties and threatened to dissolve the church as a legal entity and sell all the property. The Supreme Court ruled all this "constitutional". There has been no revocation of this ruling, and no reparations paid to the descendants of those imprisioned polygamists, so we must assume similar actions against a religion with a belief and practice of murdering non-believers would similarly be "constitutional".

Of course, with today's preoccupation with PC I hold no such hopes it would every happen. One example of such current PC hypocricy: Native Americans can legally use peyote because it is allgedly a "sacrament" in their "religion". More hooey--I've seen many Indians using their sacrament as a recreational drug--there is no spiritual element to it at all. And yet, Mormons can't practice polygamy because it offends a bunch of scripturally ignorant bigots.

As far as I'm concerned, using the Mormon experience as constitutional support, this country can, and should, do anything it wants to the death cult. Every mosque, every Muslim asset should be seized and all non-citizen practitioners deported, and many US practictioners arrested and imprisioned just like the Mormon polygamists were.

[sweetliberty]

"In case you didnt notice, Islamists on our own soil slaughtered 3000 people in New York and D.C. about 16 months ago. Is that domestic enough for you?"

It is amazing to me how quickly so many Americans seem to have forgotten. The result of too many movies perhaps? I have always thought of myself as a very peace-loving person patient with human weaknesses, but everybody has a line than shouldn't be crossed. When those Americans and resident aliens who subscribe to the religion of peace failed to come forth in condemnation of those who committed the horrific acts of 9/11 and many instead praised them along with their Islamic brethren around the world, that line was crossed. I am reminded of the saying "a man is known by the company he keeps." Islam is evil. Its adherents believe it is a good thing to kill Christians and Jews and Americans, even if they are neither . In my book, that makes them the enemy, and no amount of politically correct justification will make me believe otherwise, They have had ample opportunity to prove where their allegiance lies. I think they have done so.

[sweetliberty]

"in that kind of a situation you begin to appreciate good people who take a stand against scumbags who would do you harm."

I wonder what kind of a stand they took against the scum that did us harm on 9/11. I wonder what they have done to try to prevent a replay.

[crystalk]

Let's get about it, I suggest Congress get cracking on an omnibus amendment to the Constitution entitled, the ...(drum roll)...

SUPPRESSION OF ISLAM ACT.

This will forbid any Muslim to stay overnight on US soil, and will define any Arab who cannot give proof he is Christian, as a Muslim. It will outlaw any pretended worshipping of Allah, or Muhammad, both of which will be defined as "foreign princes and potentates," which an alien has to forswear if he comes to live here!

It would also make clear that the definition of "man" "woman" "human being" and the like are limited to those ethnorelgious groups already here in 1787, and neither being born in the USA nor anything else can ever go so far as to render a Muslim "human" or "American".

Saudi Arabia already has laws like this, we need to follow suit.

[sweetliberty]

"Since when did it become legal in the USA to advocate murder??"

Well, we are now also supporting homosexual molestation of boys by allowing the operation of ACLU on behalf of criminal pedophiles under the guise of "civil rights". What a contemptable joke.

[Republic of Texas]

I've noticed in reading through this thread, your tone has changed. I hope Lamonte approves.