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Thanks for all the great factual information you have posted. In these days where everybody works all day and comes home to piles of mail to deal with, followed by sorting and packaging and disposing of trash,waste,and wet, as opposed to dry garbage,it is almost impossible for the average person to keep apprised of the things that matter most.

I just wonder how this critical information can get conveyed to the public to counteract the fantasies the media have concocted presenting the "gays" and their lifestyles as harmless,poignant and/or desireable. Any ideas?

This thread brings up so many faults with O'Rielly/Fox that I hardly know where to begin.

The threat to protect corporate interests is one thing, but if they pursue a lawsuit, Fox should be ostricized publicly.

The only approach I've found successful when discussing the issue of homosexual "civil rights" with the average liberal is to make the analogy with incest, which also has a movement for liberalization.

I simply ask if incest between consenting adults should be protected as a "lifestyle choice" or "genetically induced behavior" the same as heterosexuality, homosexuality and bisexuality. Be prepared to discuss the genetic and social aspects of incest.

I ask whether the possible heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual relationships permissible among (Divorced) Father/Daughter, Mother/Son, Brother/Sister, etc., etc. should be protected "civil unions" with all the attached medical, tax, adoption, blah, blah, blah, rights?

If they think there's absolutely nothing wrong with it, "anything goes," I walk away.

If incest is not an acceptable sexual "union" between consenting adults (ranges from 16 to 18 years of age depending on the state) in our secular society, whether heterosexual, homosexual or bisexual, then we have already agreed that "consenting adults" is red herring standard - and society can have a social interest in restricting sexual behaviour between consenting adults.

The only conclusion can be that heterosexuality, homosexuality and bisexuality then are equal orientations. Once here it is much easier to present the arguments against homosexuality that others have provided.

A 1999 snapshot of where this country is in the debate is available at Sex Information and Education Council of the United States (SIECUS). Their mission is "to assure that all people - including adolescents, the disabled, sexual minorities, and the elderly - have the right to affirm that sexuality is a natural and healthy part of their lives."

I just wonder how this critical information can get conveyed to the public to counteract the fantasies the media have concocted presenting the "gays" and their lifestyles as harmless,poignant and/or desireable. Any ideas?

scripter is presently working on a way to disseminate this info on F.R.