States Begin Crack Down on Home Schooling

Icehouse ^ | 01/03 | unknown

[hsmomx3]

H ome schoolers have long held the belief that if they received exemptions from the education laws being put in place at the state and federal level, they could safely teach their children at home without government interference. A good example of this is the exemption home schoolers achieved to HR 6 in 1994 and ESSHB 1209 bringing education reform to Washington State in 1993.

What home schoolers did not know, however, is that education reform was instituted to bring education into coalescence with systems governance, and under systems governance, all really does mean all ? no one can be exempted from inclusion in the system. That includes home schoolers.

Home schoolers believed the exemptions would protect them. A good example is the home schoolers in California. For years they have existed under the private schooling laws. Now, California is cracking down on home schoolers in order to bring them into the system. In other states that have home school laws, the matter of bringing home schoolers under the umbrella of systems education and government control will be as easy as requiring a certificate of mastery in order for the child to get a job, a drivers license, or go on to higher education. We are already seeing signs of that happening in Washington State. No doubt it is, or will, happen in other states with home school laws as well.

Home schoolers have not been exempted from the system, they have only been exempted from the laws putting the system in place.

[Bella_Bru]

Maybe you are afraid a new generation will grow up and overturn the socialist wagon and deprive you of your gravy-train??

What gravy train?

[Lady Heron]

Once again, did I say all homeschoolers? Nooooooooooooo. But don't let that get by you.

Once again I say worry about the horrendous education in the public schools, and all of the lost there and leave the very few of the home schools that you say are out there (I have never run across one)alone!

[don-o]

just don't cry because MIT won't take them without an SAT (you know, that "evil gubmint" test).

Please, seems like you are the loner here.

Of course, MIT may admit or not as they choose.

My point, that you have ignored all evening, is how can a defense of mandatory public education be made?

Mandatory public education was a risky scheme of Thomas Mann.

Do a Google on the name.

And if you really want your eyes opened, search on John Taylor Gatto.

[Bella_Bru]

Read back a ways. Someone said earlier that homeschooled kids are not always required to take entrance exams.

[ApesForEvolution]

I don't know; what dog do you have in the home-schooling versus governmental tyranny fight?

[Bella_Bru]

I really do not care about being a loner. I am not concerned with being part of this "in crowd" anyway. I have no issue with people who want to homeschool, other than their smug, "we are better parents" bs. Their shit stinks as bad as anyone else's, though you'd never guess based on what they say.

[Bella_Bru]

Actually, none. Do I have to? I guess that means that we should start restricting people to threads that only personally affect them at FR.

[ApesForEvolution]

"Someone said earlier that homeschooled kids are not always required to take entrance exams."

Not all schools have unified entrancy requirements for student-funded college education. Many colleges across Big Sky country, where I live a good portion of the year, admit students that display other exemplary performance based on varying criteria. Those students, that I'm aware of, however, must pay 100% of their own way and do not receive any monetary considerations from their universities. That is not universal, I believe, either.

[ApesForEvolution]

"Do I have to?"

Of course not! I'm just trying to figure out why someone posting on a conservative forum would take the socialist view on tyrannical government education schemes unless they are benefitting somehow from it. It's contrary to individual rights and liberties...

[Lady Heron]

Take a valium. You are quite shrill.

Then I will be shrill in the defense of freedom.:-)

[glory]

Why Bella? Why does a homeschooler need this when colleges are accepting them without it? Or trade professional are accepting apprentices without it? Or employers are accepting them without it? Are they not good enough judges of a candidates qualifications to make that call? Why does a college, trade professional, or employer need a government nanny to tell them if the person is indeed qualified? Shouldn't adults be able to stand on their own merit with or without a HIGH SCHOOL certification? How about at least having the honesty to exempt homeschoolers who are already in junior college during their high school years or those like I mentioned above who obviously have nothing they need to prove to the likes of you or the NEA.

[c-b 1]

It sounds like you don't believe the parents can't do an adequate job of turning out dumbed indoctrinated little worker bees who have been educated in 60s free love, alternative lifestyles, tree hugging 101, and tolerance of any decadance that comes along.

[glory]

No kidding, they have a "citizenship" test here in our neck of the woods.

[Carry_Okie]

just don't cry because MIT won't take them without an SAT (you know, that "evil gubmint" test).

The SAT is not a government test. It is owned by a private company: Educational Testing Service. The ACT is another competing product. It's the government that is leaning all over ETS; using its monopoly buying power to get them to dumb it down.

What's really distressing about your posts is that one as ignorant as you pretends to pass judgment on what constitutes an adequate education. That's what's wrong with democratizing educational standards. Competing standards would specialize to specific academic and job markets. Getting government out of educational testing would allow more development of competing testing products.

[Carry_Okie]

What's really distressing about your posts is that one as ignorant as you pretends to pass judgment on what constitutes an adequate education.

Sorry don-o, that post was to be directed to Bella Bru.

[glory]

Forget it don-o. Go read Bella Bru's homepage on freep and you'll care even less about her opinions--tattooed, pierced, and a lawyer to be to boot. And...CHILDLESS!!!
And bella, before you give me hell, I USED to be in "your scene"(I know what a zine is, have seen the range from Social Distortion, Descendents, Red Hot Chilis(when they played on the "little stages" and you could walk back without security and tie one on with them),(etc) had friends in many of the local punk bands years back in the Miami scene when it revolved around the Cameo Theatre, wore Doc Martens when you could only get them out of a catalog, etc), I know what a gathering place of losers and degenerates it is having been in the thick of it myself(thank God I got out!). I would not give any credence to any opinion on what is beneficial for children from anyone still CURRENTLY in that scene. Sorry, but that's from experience sister.

[t4texas]

Sir you are speaking on a subject about which you know little. In a word, you are ignorant.

As to the comparative results of public and non-public education, where is your proof that homeschooling is inferior to public "schooling"? Let me save you some time. You will not find any such proof. Therefore, in lieu of same why don't you establish for this forum your qualifications to speak on this subject (aside from being an unquestioning supporter of all things governmental).

Your credibilty is at stake.

[viaveritasvita]

Hasn't cholera been eradicated??

"GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH!!"

[t4texas]

credibilty = credibility

[don-o]

I have no issue with people who want to homeschool, other than their smug, "we are better parents" bs.

What is up with that?

To use the psychobabble- I do believe we are seeing some transference going on here.