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States Begin Crack Down on Home Schooling
Icehouse ^ | 01/03 | unknown

Posted on 01/02/2003 11:03:09 AM PST by hsmomx3

H ome schoolers have long held the belief that if they received exemptions from the education laws being put in place at the state and federal level, they could safely teach their children at home without government interference. A good example of this is the exemption home schoolers achieved to HR 6 in 1994 and ESSHB 1209 bringing education reform to Washington State in 1993.

What home schoolers did not know, however, is that education reform was instituted to bring education into coalescence with systems governance, and under systems governance, all really does mean all ? no one can be exempted from inclusion in the system. That includes home schoolers.

Home schoolers believed the exemptions would protect them. A good example is the home schoolers in California. For years they have existed under the private schooling laws. Now, California is cracking down on home schoolers in order to bring them into the system. In other states that have home school laws, the matter of bringing home schoolers under the umbrella of systems education and government control will be as easy as requiring a certificate of mastery in order for the child to get a job, a drivers license, or go on to higher education. We are already seeing signs of that happening in Washington State. No doubt it is, or will, happen in other states with home school laws as well.

Home schoolers have not been exempted from the system, they have only been exempted from the laws putting the system in place.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: choice; constitutionlist; education; educationnews; homeschool; homeschoollist; schoolchoice
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To: Bella_Bru
Absolutely Carvillian of you.
101 posted on 01/02/2003 3:19:26 PM PST by dasboot
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To: CholeraJoe; scripter
I support homeschoolers Bump!


"Parents have the original, primary, and inalienable right to educate their children, and it is the place of schools to assist them. But rights not asserted are rights lost by default. Parental rights are not self-enforcing; they have to be exercised by vigilant and concerned parents."

- Arthur J. Delaney, “The Grotesque World of Today’s Sex Education,” New Oxford Review, p. 16, May 1996.


And parents certainly have the original, primary, and inalienable right to pull their kids out of the public schools and educate them at home. The majority seem to be a doing great job educating their children.

You wouldn't happen to be a member of the National Education Association Union, would you?


(More about the NEA and homeschooling)

102 posted on 01/02/2003 3:20:46 PM PST by EdReform
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To: Carry_Okie
Bump!
103 posted on 01/02/2003 3:24:45 PM PST by EdReform
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To: dasboot
I didn't say all homeschoolers are like that, or even most. But to ignore that there are a few is ridiculous.
104 posted on 01/02/2003 3:26:01 PM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: CholeraJoe
Education is not a Function of the Federal Government (notwithstanding the US Department thereof) but is a function of the states.

Nope.

It is a "function" of the parents of the children.

FMCDH

You do not mess with homeschoolers. We will bite you.

105 posted on 01/02/2003 3:27:07 PM PST by don-o
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To: DAnconia55
My advice: don't let the government know you have children!

Good idea. But how?

Homebirth, of course!

106 posted on 01/02/2003 3:27:17 PM PST by Marie Antoinette
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To: Bella_Bru
Oh yeah, and while I'm cogitatin' on it, Here's what a few "Flat-Earther" homeshool grads I personally know will be doing in the next year:

One will be graduating from the Naval Academy heading toward the Cryptography and Intel service;

Another will be Chief Cadet Engineer on a merchant marine training ship during cruise;

Yet another, having graduated from a maritime academy with an officer's commission in the NAVY, will be pursuing further training at the Naval Warfare College in Newport RI.

I could go on. So much for your dumb comment. Keep posting your "My Favorite Band from the 80's" dirges, and leave serious discussion to rational adults.

107 posted on 01/02/2003 3:34:49 PM PST by dasboot
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To: don-o
Note to the National Education Association Union:

"You do not mess with homeschoolers. We will bite you."

Well said, Don!

108 posted on 01/02/2003 3:34:50 PM PST by EdReform
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To: EdReform
Parents have the original, primary, and inalienable right to educate their children

Those who assert any "inalienable" right must be able to validate it. I've seen no legal validation that supports the existence of an inalienable right to homeschool.

The majority seem to be a doing great job educating their children.

So they say. Post any independent verification of the same that includes statistically valid numbers of children. Hint: Two or more anecdotes do not constitute scientific data.

For all you homeschoolers - I'm not a teacher, nor am I a school administrator. In a matter as important as education, it is imperative that the educators be as qualified as possible. To assert that a parent is as qualified to teach as a trained educator is as fallacious as asserting that one may gain the skills necessary for heart surgery by studying books at the local library and be qualified to offer that service to a family member or the public.

109 posted on 01/02/2003 3:37:51 PM PST by CholeraJoe
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To: twyn1
I think this "certificate" stuff is just a scare tactic. I don't remember ever in my life having to show a high school diploma to anybody (except the Marine recruiter). How many employers actually go to the trouble to verify a high school diploma, LOFL?

Also, I think that if you can show a hearty SAT score to a college, you will gleefully get admitted. However, if the scumbag Democrats and the teachers unions manage to make this "certificate" meaningful, there could be problems for homeschoolers.

110 posted on 01/02/2003 3:39:30 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: dasboot
Did I say all were flat earth nutjobs? No I did not. But I guess that was lost on you. And for someone who considers himself a rational adult, you sure are an emotional mess.
111 posted on 01/02/2003 3:40:46 PM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: dasboot
And...when exactly did I post such a thing about 80's bands? Please do tell, Mr. Oh-So smart. I hope you never participate in any silly or fun threads. I'll remind you of your thoughts on them.
112 posted on 01/02/2003 3:42:19 PM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: CholeraJoe
Where's the inalienable right to breed children? I've seen no legal validation.

Search HSLDA for your statistical data.

113 posted on 01/02/2003 3:43:01 PM PST by dasboot
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To: CholeraJoe
Joe, I built a home for my family once. All drain pipes have vent pipes that come out through the roof. These are to let gasses escape from the system. Generally these are directly above the sinks, washing machine drains, toilets, etc.

In the attic I took mine from all over the house, 2500 sq ft, and joined them all together, of course with a rising angle. This resulted in me having one 4 inch outlet protruding through the roof. This reduced the chance of roof leaks, one instead of eight, and a much cleaner roof line.

When the code inspector came out, he was amazed at the idea and said he was going to recommend it to the building code engineer for a future code. He asked if I was an engineer or where did I get that great idea. I said plastic pipe was cheap, this allowed the gasses to escape and I wanted a clean roofline, just a product of private schools.

So, I violated code and bettered the contruction. Should I have been cited for the violation?

114 posted on 01/02/2003 3:44:14 PM PST by B4Ranch
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To: CholeraJoe
If you truly equate the qualifications of the average public school teacher with those of a heart surgeon, you've just surrendered the field.
115 posted on 01/02/2003 3:44:23 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: hsmomx3
This all sounds like alot of bluster...why in the world bother with certificates at all ?...like who cares ?...educate your kids to the standard you deem appropriate, let them take a college placement test and to hell with govmint goons...

Does anyone really think they are going to prevent you from getting a job...or drivers license?...come on...get real...

Just say no...its that simple not to volunteer for government servitude...I wish more people would realize this simple fact..

I dropped out of highschool, started a business, went to college, started another business, went back to college...and my lack of "credentials" hasnt meant squat...

Lead, Follow or get the hell out of my way...

Don't any of you homeschooling parents have the guts to tell the govmint to go screw themselves?

116 posted on 01/02/2003 3:48:39 PM PST by antaresequity
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To: CholeraJoe
"In a matter as important as education, it is imperative that the educators be as qualified as possible. To assert that a parent is as qualified to teach as a trained educator is as fallacious..."

It's a Fact: Teachers Are Typically the Dregs


(Disclaimer: I do not believe that the above article is true of all teachers - we have several Freepers who are good teachers)

117 posted on 01/02/2003 3:51:41 PM PST by EdReform
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To: Bella_Bru
They may not be the majority, but they do exist.

That does not mean that a state mandated solution for those children is a good idea. The state has NO accountability for serving those children well and may in fact be the cause of their difficulties. A disproportionate population of homeschoolers are children with both developmental and behavioral learning disabilities. Sadly, the latter is all to often the RESULT of government educational malpractice. Parents pull those kids in order to save them.

If you think more money is the solution, remember that the only way the state can justify additional funding is failure to perform (in case you hadn't noticed). Average K-12 spending in California classrooms is nearing $10,000 per student per year (it was $9,200 in 2000). Considering the product of teachers' colleges these days, it will only get worse.

118 posted on 01/02/2003 3:51:59 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: Carry_Okie
All I think is that if you want to homeschool, your kids ahould have to pass the same exit exams that kids in private or public schools must pass.
119 posted on 01/02/2003 3:53:48 PM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: CholeraJoe
home schooled kids outperform public school kids by a mile when measured by conventional standards. So, when you complain about home-school kids not meeting government standards it is a ridiculous comment.
120 posted on 01/02/2003 3:56:01 PM PST by Red Jones
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