The GOP, Party of Cowards

Ever Vigilant ^ | 12/23/2003 | Lee R. Shelton IV

[William Wallace]

Enter Johnny One-note.

[cynicom]

Imp...

You seem to have a problem. Take it up with Robinson, and stop whining.

[sweetliberty]

Personally, I am finding this whole side discussion to be tedious and distracting. Dirtboy's comment may have been tacky, but it was certainly mild in comparison to some I have seen on this forum. If TLB thinks that db owes him an apology, I think it is his place to point that out. It isn't like TLB needs someone to defend his honor. He's a big boy and can take care of himself. Those of us who know him recognize that there is a part of him that thrives on insults and is remarkably good-natured about them, so could we please just stick to the topic. This side argument is adding nothing.

[TLBSHOW]

Dirt and I will agree and disagree from time to time. No big deal!

[cynicom]

sweet...

Jump in with both feet, add something, dont be a sideline player.

[L.N. Smithee]

Now THAT was a quality personal attack. :^)

So be it, man. I am so sick of these people who don't understand that there was nothing else the GOP could have done with Lott. Either it was get him off the stage or let him stay, making him the alleged bigoted standard-bearer for the party as long as he remained as Majority Leader.

The jerks who insisted that Lott remain to avoid the appearance of capitulating to the race hustlers are the probably same ones who were cheering on Pat Buchanan's prime time speech at the 1992 Republican convention. By being reckless with his words, he, to a lesser extent than Lott, gave the Demos high-caliber ammunition against President George H.W. Bush. Bush 41 lost that election. George W. Bush, when his turn came, made sure that there were no Buchanan bombshells on the agenda at the 2000 confab, resulting in criticism from the left that there weren't enough white people on stage!

Buchanan boosters have their nerve telling the GOP what they should be doing with their newly acquired clout, seeing that he was greatly responsible for them not gaining it sooner. I think these critics of "neo-cons" should shut their pie holes until one of them actually wins an election. Then they will at least have a shred of credibility.

[TLBSHOW]

like I tell the democrats in my on going battle with them.

I do not apologize & neither should any other Republicans apologize!

[sweetliberty]

"So when he got into trouble from his new "friends" the libs his old friends didn't support him."

Yours is perhaps the most rational argument I have heard to justify the way the Republicans dealt with Lott. I still don't agree with the way they did it though.

[sweetliberty]

"I beg to differ - Just think of Barney Frank..."

OMG! ROTFL! That is a mental image I could have done without. Thanks a lot!

[Joe Hadenuf]

I am so sick of these people who don't understand that there was nothing else the GOP could have done with Lott. Buchanan boosters have their nerve telling the GOP what they should be doing with their newly acquired clout, seeing that he was greatly responsible for them not gaining it sooner.

Huh? Buchanan?

The GOP did exactly what the extreme left wanted done. Not what Buchanan wanted.

And personally, I didn't care one way or the other if Lott stayed or went.

In the big picture, I doesn't matter anyway. It was just a sideshow under the bigtop tent in DC.

[TLBSHOW]

then your going to really like what Rush has to say if Bush caves on anything after we worked so hard to get him control.

There is NO REASON to work with the rats now with the GOP in control!

Send the democrats back to the stone age.

[sweetliberty]

"but it matters not one whit what Ann says but rather this entire thing is about what Trent said."

I beg to differ with you. It had to do with what some people THOUGHT he said, or how some people INTERPRETED what he said, or what some people assumed he was THINKING when he said it, or how some people wanted other people to interpret what they SAID he said. It had very little to do with what he actually said or indeed even with what he might have meant or not meant by it. Both sides saw it as a political opportunity. Nothing more.

[sweetliberty]

"every Republican who considers himself (or herself) a liberal, please raise your hand"

That's hardly a fair approach. Even most Democrats are too embarassed to confess to being liberals.

[George W. Bush]

Lott is no racist!

Maybe he is, at least to some extent. He certainly spent his formative years in an environment that was determinedly racist and rabidly segregationist. He may have been voicing his own sincere and heartfelt sentiment toward segregation of the races instead of engaging in some false praise of an old geeze politician.

Or maybe he really thinks a separate-but-equal policy would have resulted in greater social and economic progress for blacks. Seriously, haven't we always said that the Democrat socialist agenda has doomed modern blacks? There are actually a lot of people who say this but wouldn't choose to say by praising Thurmond '48. Still, he might have meant his remark in this sense.

I'm just saying Lott might have meant exactly what he said to Thurmond but not necessarily as a keep-them-in-their-places philosophy but more as a they'll-have-to-do-it-themselves-to-make-it-work. However, in 1948, Thurmond and the Dixiecrats were undeniably wanting to keep blacks down in every way. So Lott 2003 is a very very long way from Thurmond 1948 but Lott might have a more benevolent reason for feeling blacks should look to self-reliance and building up their own communities than to looking toward governmental intervention to help them make social and economic progress. I think a lot of people recognize the futility of believing the government can build a better life for anyone. Lott may have been expressing this sentiment.

I think my above suggestion is more likely to be true than the proffered explanation that Lott was just trying to make an old geeze feel good about a failed run for president as a segregationist. And I would suspect that you couldn't understand Lott's remarks unless you were Lott or Thurmond. The remarks were made in a pretty personal context in a relationship of many years' duration. Lott wasn't making a policy speech here.

You must realize that the trying-to-make-the-old-geeze-feel-good argument sounds lame and Clintonesque on the face of it, don't you? I'd hate to think that even the GOP has a majority leader who thinks so shallowly.

[M. Peach]

"OK...every Republican who considers himself (or herself) a liberal, please raise your hand."

OK - if all those with psychic powers, would please raise MY hand...

[Luis Gonzalez]

You don't believe that all registered Republicans believe themselves to be conservatives of one shade or another?

I have never met a Republican who thought of themselves as a liberal.

The conservative movement consists of anyone just from this side of Hitler, to centrists.

As a matter of fact, if you read most FR posts, most people are convinced that they are the only TRUE conservative left in the US.

[Luis Gonzalez]

ROTFLMAO!!!

The guy glossing over Lott's remarks, is calling someone else a Republican apologist?

Here's my stand on this: Lott created his own problem, he dug his own grave, and jumped in it feet first.

I have no reason to apologize for anything that happened to him, he had it coming.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"I wanna say this about my state. When Strom Thurmond ran for president (on a segregationist platform), we voted for him. We're proud of him. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead (voted for the segregationist candidate in the presidential race of 1948) we wouldn't have had all these problems over all these years either (what problems would those be that someone against desegregation would have solved?)."---Senator Trent Lott, Dec 2002

[deport]

Differ all you want.. but the truth is if Lott had not opened his mouth then this would have occurred.....

So like it or not it is what Lott said.....

[Concerned]

LUIS GONZALEZ POSTED THE FOLLOWING 2 COMMENTS:

"I wanna tell you, ladies and gentlemen, that there's not enough troops in the army to force the southern people to break down segregation and admit the nigger race into our theatres into our swimming pools into our homes and into our churches."---Strom Thurmond, presidential candidate, 1948 ...and...

"I wanna say this about my state. When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We're proud of him. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead we wouldn't have had all these problems over all these years either." Senator Trent Lott, Dec 2002

I think they pretty well speak for themselves and sum the whole issue up. Lott could NOT be left in as LEADER to FUMBLE, er...LEAD, the Republican Party.

Lott is NOT A LEADER!!!!!!! He is INCOMPETENT and INEFFECTIVE!