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Tertullian "The Crown," 211 a.D. "We regard it as unlawfull to fast or to worship on our knees on the Lord's Day." (Juegens, in a footnote, cites 325 Council of Nicea, 20th Canon that forbade the custom of those "who are bending their knees on Sunday and on the days of Pentecost.)

I am reasonably certain that you would not use this cite unless you were fed it by a liturgy liar. Were you to read the rest of it you would be aware that the cite has to do with the "overly-penitent" types--who were perhaps pushing the envelope towards "look at me, I'm penitent..." As to the other cite, I will be back to you.l

I am reasonably certain that you would not use this cite unless you were fed it by a liturgy liar.

<> Although you are reasonably certain, you are, nevertheless, wrong. I read that in Jurgen's "The Faith of the Early Fathers" long before I read "The Mass of the Roman Rite" by Fr Joseph A. Jungmann, S.J., whose reputation, contra your personal objection to him, is secure as an excellent scholar and whom Cardinal Ratzinger publicly praised as one of our generations great liturgical experts.

I am not sure how you became such an astute critic of Jungmann's having not read the text in question, but, I am sure there exists an explanation...<>

http://www.geocities.com/~ymjcath/Books.htm

<>Check out this link and scroll down to Jungmann's book. It is considered a standard reference by trads, conservatives and libs and TAN sells it and it is included among all these other recommended books<>

Andrew Brownell is a pianist who has won awards both as a soloist and as a chamber musician. He is currently a graduate student of music at the University of Southern California and serves as organist at St. Vincent dePaul in Los Angeles.

NOTES:

1 Flor y canto (Portland: Oregon Catholic Press, 1989), nos. 590-601.

2 "Gloria in excelsis", The New Harvard Dictionary of Music, ed. Don Michael Randel (Cambridge, 1986), 342.

3 Joseph Jungmann, SJ, The Mass of the Roman Rite, trans. Francis Brunner C.Ss.R., Rev. Charles Riepe (New York: Benziger Brothers Inc., 1959), 238.

<> This is lifted from the Adoremus site. They use him as an authoritative source in their polemics. Seeing as how this post is from Adormeus, it would appear they too use this "Liturgical Liar."

In fact, search their site. They appeal to Jungmann as an authority in these articles:

Rethinking the Responsorial Gloria

The Altar and the Direction of Liturgical Prayer

"In the Presence of Angels I Will Sing Your Praise"

Return to the East?

Worthy is the Lamb, Agnus Dei -- by Susan Benofy

From One Eucharistic Prayer to Many

<> The Catholic Encyclopedia also appeals to him as an authority. It appears this "Liturgical Liar" might be owed a posthumous apology<>