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The homosexual translator menace (hurl alert!)
The Advocate ^ | 12/31/02 | Charles Kaiser

Posted on 12/31/2002 8:24:29 PM PST by I_Love_My_Husband

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(the story)..."was broken in The New Republic by Nathaniel Frank, a senior fellow at the Center for the Study of Sexual Minorities in the Military...."

Figures. That's why we CAN'T have gays in the military. They are obviously unethical!

Also notice in the article that a total of 7 translators were fired. Not a high number.

They ARE compromising our military and our secrets!

1 posted on 12/31/2002 8:24:29 PM PST by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: scripter; FormerLib; Saundra Duffy
ping
2 posted on 12/31/2002 8:25:01 PM PST by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Yeah, we'd rather get blown to kingdom come than get blown to kingdom come.
3 posted on 12/31/2002 8:26:21 PM PST by gcruse
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Exactly how are they "compromising our military and our secrets"? By telling the media they got discharged from the DLI for being gay? I hate to break it to you, but gay men are disproportionately talented at languages, and excluding them from our military intelligence units at a time when we are desperately short of linguists in difficult-to-acquire languages is a pretty suicidal policy.
4 posted on 12/31/2002 8:31:50 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Is it time for a new policy - "Ask and Expel!"?
5 posted on 12/31/2002 8:33:05 PM PST by 185JHP
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
I'm afraid the only reason these homosexuals signed up to be translators was to force this political confrontation.
6 posted on 12/31/2002 8:39:45 PM PST by second_half_recovery
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To: I_Love_My_Husband; aculeus; general_re; BlueLancer; Poohbah; chookter; Travis McGee; Long Cut
Frank reported that within one two-month period last fall, “seven fully competent” Arabic linguists had been discharged from the Army’s elite Defense Language Institute in Monterey, Calif., because they were gay. In fact, the number of gay students there may have contributed to a false sense of security among those students. Frank wrote that the institute’s Northern California location attracted “a large number” of gay linguists. “There were way too many gay people at DLI for anybody to fear the ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ policy,” Frank quoted a gay former student as saying. “Sometimes we lived on halls that were more than 50% homosexual.”
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Air Force colonel suspended after bad-mouthing Bush

Associated Press
June 4, 2002
By Kim Curtis

San Francisco - A U.S. Air Force colonel who called President Bush “a joke” and accused him of allowing the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks to happen because “his presidency was going nowhere,” has been suspended and could face a court-martial.

The letter from Lt. Col. Steve Butler, who was vice chancellor for student affairs at the Defense Language Institute in Monterey, was published May 26 in The (Monterey County) Herald.

“He did nothing to warn the American people because he needed this war on terrorism,” Butler wrote. “His daddy had Saddam and he needed Osama. His presidency was going nowhere. ... This guy is a joke.”

Butler, who called Bush’s alleged silence “sleazy and contemptible,” was suspended from his position on May 29 pending the outcome of an investigation into his remarks, Air Force spokeswoman Valerie Burkes said Tuesday. He remains assigned to the Defense Language Institute.

Butler, who entered active duty in April 1979, was a navigator during Desert Storm, Burkes said. His wife, Shelly, told The Herald that Butler plans to retire in a few weeks.

Military law specifically prohibits “contemptuous words against the president” and other political leaders. The prohibition against anti-government speech goes back to 1776, when soldiers were forbidden from using “traitorous or disrespectful words.” The rules were updated several times and “traitorous or disrespectful” changed to “contemptuous.” The president, vice president, Congress and state governors also were specifically banned as targets of bad-mouthing.

In 1950, Congress enacted the Uniform Code of Military Justice and the prohibition against contemptuous language survived intact as Article 88, and, for the first time, applied only to commissioned officers.

The maximum punishment under Article 88 is dismissal, forfeiture of all pay and allowances and confinement for one year.

The only known Article 88 court-martial took place in the mid-1960s, according to an article by Lt. Col. Michael J. Davidson published in the July 1999 edition of “The Army Lawyer.”

In that case, 2nd Lt. Henry Howe was charged with using contemptuous words against the president and conduct unbecoming an officer. On Nov. 6, 1965, Howe, dressed in civilian clothing during off-duty hours, left Fort Bliss and went to nearby El Paso, Texas, to participate in a demonstration against the Vietnam War.

Howe, who was turned in to military police by a gas station attendant who noticed an Army sticker on his vehicle, carried a sign that read “Let’s Have More Than a Choice Between Petty Ignorant Fascists in 1968,” and “End Johnson’s Fascist Aggression in Vietnam.”

He was convicted and sentenced to dismissal, forfeiture of all pay and allowances and confinement at hard labor for two years.

“This kind of thing has happened repeatedly,” Eugene Fidell, president of the National Institute of Military Justice, a Washington-based nonprofit group that advocates improvement in the military justice system, said Tuesday. “Clinton was repeatedly bad-mouthed.”

In fact, an Air Force general was fined, reprimanded and forced into early retirement for referring to Clinton as “gay-loving,” “womanizing,” “draft-dodging” and “pot smoking,” Ryan said.

Another Air Force general was reprimanded for telling an inappropriate joke about Clinton at an Air Force base in Texas. Two Marine Corps officers also were administratively punished for published letters to newspapers that were disrespectful of the president. That led to military officials warning military members against engaging in similar conduct.


7 posted on 12/31/2002 8:40:25 PM PST by dighton
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To: second_half_recovery
I'm afraid the only reason these homosexuals signed up to be translators was to force this political confrontation.

Yeah, they foresaw 9/11 by a couple of years to give them time to learn
these languages and then get into military to force this confrontation.
Do you think you could be a little loonier?
8 posted on 12/31/2002 8:49:32 PM PST by gcruse
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To: GovernmentShrinker
As a graduate of DLI .. and other schools .. I has always amazed me of the stupidity ... no sorry ... the IGNORANCE of people with supposed intelligence.

Explain the stupidity/insanity of homosexual orgies in a military barracks?

The type of person needed for this high security field would not be having sex in the barracks...a heterosexual person would be booted out in a second for this total lack of maturity and self control.
9 posted on 12/31/2002 8:50:27 PM PST by steplock
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To: GovernmentShrinker
I hate to break it to you, but gay men are disproportionately talented at languages,

Aha, they finally found the gay gene!

10 posted on 12/31/2002 8:52:04 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
I think it's ridiculous that these guys were forced to leave the service. Sanctioned in some fashion, yes. they broke rules. But dumped entirely? There are way too few people who know Arabic and Farsi in the U.S. Military to begin with. This is likely to cost more lives than it saves.
11 posted on 12/31/2002 8:53:17 PM PST by RonF
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To: second_half_recovery
I'm afraid the only reason these homosexuals signed up to be translators was to force this political confrontation.

A baseless accusation. I suppose that the concept that a homosexual might want to actually use his intellect to serve his country is beyond your consideration.

12 posted on 12/31/2002 8:56:26 PM PST by RonF
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To: steplock
Exactly.
Anyone who cannot exercise self-control, whether they be gay or straight, should not be in a sensitive position (no pun intended lol)



13 posted on 12/31/2002 9:01:07 PM PST by visualops
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To: RonF
The notion that these guys were fluent in Farsi and Arabic is ridiculous. I saw one of these fellows on TV last week and when asked if he could speak Arabic he said "no, I'm too rusty , I've been away from it for 6 months".

If we need translators we should get people who have spoken the language all of their lives.

14 posted on 12/31/2002 9:01:54 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: gcruse
I'm afraid that a bunch of gay-agenda thugs who already knew Arabic saw this as a golden opportunity to score some political points and get some press coverage for their perversion, so they signed up.

Once they were enrolled, they just waited for the right moment to provoke this confrontation by climbing all over each other in the barracks.

Now they can count on the support of the sympathetic liberal media and the more gullible members of the so-called conservative movement.

15 posted on 12/31/2002 9:02:46 PM PST by second_half_recovery
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To: RonF
It's not an accusation at all -- it's a concern. I would encourage and support any homosexual who in good faith wanted to serve his country.

It's just that in this particular case, it looks like there's a hidden pro-gay agenda.
16 posted on 12/31/2002 9:08:15 PM PST by second_half_recovery
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To: steplock
Exatly right. You would think that anyone who really wanted to serve his country could control his more primal urges.

That didn't happen, so one has to queston how genuine the desire to serve really was.
17 posted on 12/31/2002 9:10:14 PM PST by second_half_recovery
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To: jwalsh07
There is also a disproportionate representation of gay men in music (e.g. Leonard Bernstein, Aaron Copland, Benjamin Britten) which requires a very similar (if not the same) type of intelligence. I don't know that this necessarily implies a "gay gene", but probably some genetic traits which, when combined with features of our society, tend to cause the possessors to lead a gay lifestyle. Maybe partly attributable to the tendency of most boys to react to boys who prefer books and violins to schoolyard rough-housing by screaming "sissy" and "momma's boy" and beating them up . . .
18 posted on 12/31/2002 9:26:33 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: steplock
Orgies? Your active imagination is running away with you. The article mentioned 7 Arabic linguists being booted out for being gay. The only mention of sex in the barracks involved one COUPLE.

Certainly, they should be subject to the same standards regarding behavior in the barracks as heterosexuals. And I wouldn't necessarily disagree with the discharge of the two caught breaking the rules in the barracks, if heterosexuals are discharged for the same infraction. But there's no mention of the discharges of the other 5 being based on anything but being gay.
19 posted on 12/31/2002 9:31:24 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker
but gay men are disproportionately talented at languages

Well, they may certainly be cunning linguists, but very few are cunnilinguists....

20 posted on 12/31/2002 9:34:22 PM PST by freebilly
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