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A Rebuilt Neanderthal
The New York Times ^ | 12-31-02 | JOHN NOBLE WILFORD

Posted on 12/31/2002 4:38:20 PM PST by Pharmboy

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To: Pharmboy

Looking at the two skeletons it's a mystery to me at least why anybody thinks neanderthals would be stronger than any of us are.


101 posted on 09/17/2006 5:14:13 PM PDT by tomzz
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I agree...I had the same thought when I first saw them.

I guess they compute it based on: 1) bone thickness comparison for same height human and neandertal and 2) how big the insertion of the muscles into the bone was.

102 posted on 09/17/2006 5:21:04 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Every single day provides at least one new reason to hate the mainstream media...)
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To: PatrickHenry

I don’t know about you, but I have earlobes so I can wear flashy but inexpensive earrings in hopes of attracting a suitable mate; one with the capacity of obtaining for me much more expensive earrings and other pieces of jewelry with diamonds, pearls, rubies, etc.

I don’t “need” my pinky toes either, but they look kind of cute in my sandals and they come in handy for games of “this little piggy”.

Seriously, some “parts” may not have a practical function use per se except for appearance; like lip shape and hair color or those parts that are just too cute, attractive or erotic to us, and the opposite sex for evolution to discard, like earlobes or pinky toes. But attraction between the sexes and it’s obvious consequence is very important to our survival.


103 posted on 09/17/2006 8:04:17 PM PDT by Caramelgal (The Constitution only guarantees the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
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To: PatrickHenry

I don’t know about you, but I have earlobes so I can wear flashy but inexpensive earrings in hopes of attracting a suitable mate; one with the capacity of obtaining for me much more expensive earrings and other pieces of jewelry with diamonds, pearls, rubies, etc.

I don’t “need” my pinky toes either, but they look kind of cute in my sandals and they come in handy for games of “this little piggy”.

Seriously, some “parts” may not have a practical function use per se except for appearance; like lip shape and hair color or those parts that are just too cute, attractive or erotic to us, and the opposite sex for evolution to discard, like earlobes or pinky toes. But attraction between the sexes and it’s obvious consequence is very important to our survival.


104 posted on 09/17/2006 8:04:19 PM PDT by Caramelgal (The Constitution only guarantees the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
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To: Pharmboy; tomzz
Here's a link to an article on Neanderthal morphology..
Discusses the skeletal and musculature attributes you are discussing..
Some interesting conclusions concerning behaviour, mobility, etc. are made..

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/3917/morph.html

105 posted on 09/18/2006 11:45:47 AM PDT by Drammach (Freedom... Not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: Caramelgal

I use my pinkie toes for balance. I rarely wear confining shoes so my pinkie toes are straight and strong.


106 posted on 09/18/2006 3:02:20 PM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: titanmike; blam; SunkenCiv

The full Neanderthal type...around 60,000 years ago.

Perhaps the reason that the "full Neanderthal type" is more extreme than the ones from 90,000 year ago is a result of the great Toba eruption around 74,000 years ago. Scientists have recently suggested that human population was reduced to as few as 5 or 10,000 individuals as a result of the several years of "nuclear winter" that would have resulted when this monstor exploded leaving a crater measuring 18 miles by 65 miles. In contrast, Pinitubo left a crater 3 miles in diameter, and you may remember the 500 year flood we had in the Mississippi among other severe weather phenomena.

The isolated pockets of Neanderthal that survived, might have had the heavier, more "brutish" bodies that would have survived such severe conditions. This would then have remained is the "standard" body type. Meanwhile, our kind which survived in the warmer climate of Africa would have been quite different, with far less need for a heavy build.


107 posted on 09/19/2006 1:02:49 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin
Toba, or not Toba, that is the question. ;') But seriously...
The Neandertal Enigma
by James Shreeve
Frayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]

108 posted on 09/19/2006 8:33:59 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Saturday, September 16, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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