Posted on 12/31/2002 6:38:03 AM PST by jimbo123
Men wanted by the FBI ''in the broader context of 9/11 and the New Year'' were reportedly aboard a B.C. ferry carrying a large, heavy box and taking photographs of the docks earlier this month, the National Post has learned.
A rare international alert has been issued by the Federal Bureau of Investigation for the five men of Arab descent. It says they are believed to have entered the United States illegally, reportedly from Canada, on or around Christmas Eve. The FBI is investigating a detailed account from a B.C. woman who says she saw two of the wanted men on Dec. 10 near Nanaimo.
Saying the men are considered armed and dangerous, U.S. officials are searching for links between the men and suspects on terrorist watch lists, including the U.S. Department of Justice's list of the 22 Most Wanted Terrorists.
Law enforcement officials said they are in a heightened state of alert ahead of the New Year's Eve celebrations, as they typically include large gatherings of people.
One U.S. official said the men were being sought in connection with a larger investigation into illegal documents such as passports and visas. The official declined to specify how many others may be involved, though one U.S. network reported yesterday that the five were part of a group of 19 people who recently obtained phony travel documents.
''It is part of a smuggling ring investigation,'' an FBI spokesman said. ''There is no specific or credible threat, but we just wanted to talk with them in the broader context of 9/11 and the New Year.''
Among the tips coming to the FBI since its public request for information is the compelling account by a nurse from B.C.'s Lower Mainland. The woman was interviewed yesterday by FBI agents after she reported seeing two of the five men, whose pictures were released by the bureau, aboard a ferry that sailed from the Vancouver Island ferry dock at Duke Point, 16 kilometres south of Nanaimo, to Tsawwassen, the large ferry terminal south of Vancouver.
The woman, who spoke to the National Post on condition her name not be published, said she was chilled when she saw the photograph of Iftikhar Khozmai Ali, 21, and Adil Pervez, 19, because she is sure they are the men she saw on her Dec. 10 trip.
She said Mr. Ali was sitting in the front forward lounge of the ferry, slumped in his seat with his arms crossed and a scowl on his face. She was so startled by his cold stare she considered phoning authorities to report him.
"This fellow stood out in my mind and bothered me. I told my husband and others about him when I got home. But what could I do? Phone the police saying a man looked angry?" she said.
She said the ferry arrived an hour or more late.
After the ferry arrived, she said another man, whom she now believes was Mr. Pervez, was taking photographs of the facility with a digital camera he held at chest height. "He continued to take photographs of the entrance to the ferry terminal, the ticket area and baggage area and escalator. He photographed the entire area -- and a tourist would just not want photos of that for souvenirs," she said.
"It was pouring rain and I thought, Why is he photographing the entrance to the ferry? It was unnerving to watch. He must have taken, easily, two dozen photographs. He then, together with another fellow, lifted a fairly large container -- about three feet by four feet -- into a van.
"The box bothered me because of the way it was wrapped and also the unusual size. It was poorly and cheaply wrapped. It looked like it was cardboard and wrapped in wrinkled brown paper and duct tape. I just found it odd. It took two of them to get it into the van."
She said she realizes her story seems strange but she said her career as a nurse requires her to be alert and observant.
"This piece of baggage, after taking the ferry for 12 years, bothered me when nothing else has; and so did these two people," she said.
Special Agent Jim Powers, based in the FBI's Bellingham, Wash., office, said the bureau is aware of the ferry tip but declined to say how agents learned of it.
"We are on top of that. We have the information and we're going to check on it," he said.
"It's being pursued through our office in Vancouver. They will ask the appropriate Canadian agency to look into it."
Earlier in the day, Sergeant Grant Learned, spokesman for the RCMP in B.C., said the Mounties were not, as far as he knew, involved in the case of the fugitives.
White House spokesman Scott McClellan said the government had received intelligence about the men but did not have specific information that they were planning anything around New Year's.
"But, you know, any time we have five individuals like this who enter the country illegally, we want to know why they are here, we want to question them," he said in Crawford, Tex., where George W. Bush, the U.S. President, is spending the holiday. "And that's why the FBI has enlisted the help of the public."
The manhunt raised the spectre of the arrest on Dec. 14, 1999, of Ahmed Ressam, a Montreal-based al-Qaeda operative, at a Washington state border crossing.
He was carrying a bomb designed to explode on New Year's Eve at Los Angeles International Airport.
Along with Mr. Ali and Mr. Pervez, the men wanted by the FBI were identified as: Abid Noraiz Ali, 25; Mustafa Khan Owasi, 33; and Akbar Jamal, 28. The FBI warned the names and ages could be false.
Steven Emerson, a terrorism specialist based in Washington, D.C., said his sources told him the men may have simply attempted to illegally immigrate to the United States, from Dubai via Canada.
"They were people who were being smuggled into the United States, not necessarily for terrorism purposes," he said.
David Harris, a former agent for the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, said Canadians should be concerned by the incident, even if the men entered the country for economic reasons rather than terrorism.
"What we are saying is that people who are totally undocumented have gained entry into the United States through Canada. As Canadians, we are under threat.
"The very presence of undocumented people in our midst is an ominous sign."
I don't know which is worse. Democrat terrorists attacking from within, or Muslim terrorists attacking from without. Either way, their goal to destroy America is the same.
So you think that the military could have prevented five guys from making it into this country along a several thousand mile border? They are reported to have crossed the border in a car at a normal border crossing point, how would the military out in the North Dakota woods have prevented them from crossing?
When there is a will, there is a way. I guess you are too young to remember the 60's. People escaped from East Berlin all the time, even though they had to cross a heavily guarded border that was mined, had multiple sets of barbwire fencing, with a machine gun nest every few hundred yards. Putting military on the Mexican border might hinder the flow of every day immigrants, might even raise the cost of drugs but would not stop the entry of dedicated terrorists.
Then I read more carefully and saw: ...because she is sure they are the men she saw on her Dec. 10 trip.
Now if the Dec. 10 trip was a trial run--which we know they do--they may have been deliberately acting suspiciously while moving a boxed up sink or something in order to embarrass any authorities who might "harass" them into opening the box. If nobody bothers them even with the double notice-me dance, then it's full speed ahead for the real thing.
We've read loads of reports of ME men taking copious pictures on the ferries--and NOT tourist type photos. I just don't think you draw that much attention to yourself while you're executing the real plan and carrying the real goods. I hope they didn't do the real deal Christmas eve. Air, land and sea--I agree.
Yup. Now the question becomes, where were they going?
Especially since Al Qaeda seems to like to return to the same target until they get the job done. Wasnt the needle reportedly one of their targets around the Millenium when the guy got caught planning to bomb LAX?
I'm sorry - I'm no fan (as most here already know) of illegals streaming in from south of the border. But I'd much rather be here to argue the point two weeks from now than to be picking up the pieces and mourning friends and family because we ignored the northern border and an AQ suicide squad got in and made a mess of things.
You want to discuss illegal immigration, then welcome to FR - pick a thread where it's being discussed. This is not the one to do it in.
This sounds exactly like a report earlier this year from San Francisco, of a number of ME males riding the ferry all day, taking pictures of everything in site. This was reported to the police by a number of passengers who felt it was odd, and who also reported their "cold staring menacing" appearance. The face of evil walking around among us.
["He then, together with another fellow, lifted a fairly large container -- about three feet by four feet -- into a van....The box bothered me because of the way it was wrapped and also the unusual size. It was poorly and cheaply wrapped. It looked like it was cardboard and wrapped in wrinkled brown paper and duct tape. I just found it odd. It took two of them to get it into the van."]
Guns. Bombs. I believe that waterfront tourist areas have definitely been targeted for attack. Large numbers of people entertaining themselves and enjoying life, high visibility, high profile. God damn these monsters.
Seems like these could be reasons that Seattle area could remain safe. Why would Al Qaeda deliberately pollute their easiest route of entry into the US?
We have a huge problem. And frankly, there is little chance of us doing too much about it. Our borders are wide open. I'm in Texas and over the Christmas holidays huge numbers of Mexican illegals stream over the border into Mexico for Christmas. After Christmas, they stream right back in. And we let them because we really have little choice.
Another issue. Look at how many things we import. Especially from China. Imagine a major port being taken out by whatever means. Then we would have to hand check all that stuff from China and elsewhere? Every container? Every piece of merchandise? So much for cheap imports! Oh, "but we could start making things here in America instead?" Not so fast. We exported too much manufacturing offshore. Bad news.
We may have some wild times coming. I hope not. But we are Americans and we will find our way. I know that.
Because if they successful nuke a major U.S. city and end up destroying our economy as a result (and make no mistake, our economy would be dust after that), there job would be pretty much complete.
Huh? The poster makes a very good point. It's the fact that anyone can cross the border from Mexico that is important. And this would not be the case if we did not allow illegals to do so. Illegal immigration is very important to this discussion and should be part of this thread.
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