Posted on 12/31/2002 4:41:33 AM PST by DocFarmer
I find it amazing that so many people gloss over the fact that the things Murray said Bin Laden was doing are not even true. Can you imagine radical islamists building day care centers when they don't even allow women to leave the house without a male relative. Who would be using these mythical day care centers?
Once again, this is a case of the democrats intentions mattering more than what they actually say. This only applies to democrats because they are always assumed (by the main stream media and other democrats)to have good intentions, while Republicans are always assumed to have evil ones.
What a bunch of tripe!!! Those governments thank their lucky stars that they have the US to clean up all the world's messes for them, they just don't want to appear all that enthusiastic lest their subjects get tied up in a knot about it. To paraphrase Colonel Jessup from a "Few Good Men", that they don't want to know the truth because deep down they want the US on that wall, they need us on that wall.
There's plenty of information out there about what Osama and his ilk think. For example, the speeches of Osama. The last thing in the world they would do is quote him because such wouldn't support their wished-for interpretation that places fault and blame on America, or that clarifies that Osama hates the ideas that they themselves would hold dear.
A few years ago the Communications Workers of America (CWA) ran radio ads that attacked Bell Atlantic (now Verizon) and its use of subcontractors as repair persons.
I called one radio station and talked to a gentleman there, telling him that I thought the ads were unconvincing. Instead of answering my concern, he went into a diatribe about how the station and the union had "First Amendment rights" (a point with which I had no dispute at all).
In other words, instead of defending the union position, all he did was namecall.
Are you positive they knew how to do that? Hmmmm?
Patty Murray wasn't praising bin laden, she was trying to get us out of this horrible situation. Praising him is saying, "yes he's right, what a great guy." Asking what it is that he does that makes him popular so that we might use it to help defeat him is intelligent. Trying to kill that message and force her to step down is ignorant, foolhardy and dangerous.
The above-quoted thoughts mirror my own position on the subject. None of the posts I have seen on this thread even tries to answer the questions posed above. Instead, the posters merely rant in unison with cynical Repukie pols intentionally distorting Senator Murray's words to say exactly opposite of any rational interpretation.
Murray owes the families of these folks, the ones whose names are engraved on that wall, and the rest of nation an apology.
In her rush to blame America first, [Sen. Murry didn't blame America for anything, she just raised serious questions about its present leadership] Mrs. Murray has forgotten the high price Americans have paid during this long twilight struggle. [Sen. Murry didn't forget anything].
As I write this, I am fighting back tears [Yes, the crocodile tears of cynical Republican Party politicians] recallingthe friends and colleagues I've lost over the years to senseless actsof terrorism while they tried helping others. How could she be so ungrateful and insensitive? [Sen. Murry expressed exactly the opposite sentiments in her message to the students.]
How could she be so ignorant? [Ignorant of what? If the writer believes Sen. Murry made an error, he should identify such error.]
I would urge her and the high school studentssheaddressed to visit the State Department building in Washington. Within the diplomatic entrance, they will find a granite wall inscribed with the names of those who died in the service of their country and of humanity itself. May Mrs. Murray never disregard their sacrifice again. [I prefer to believe that Sen. Murray has already visited the State Department Building. Nothing in her message indicates forgetfulness of the message inscribed there]
You raise an interesting point. If you allow me, I'll try to respond in a cogent fashion.
How many times do you see the people in various Islamic countries carry Bush pictures in support? How many carry bin Laden's? How many times do you see them burning the American flag? Don't you see how helpful it would be to look into why that happens?
You're right, we see that on TV all the time. And I wondered about that myself. Until I found out a couple of secrets about the news media. Open secrets, actually. News crews and editors are very specific on what they film and what they display on the tube. It's almost never pro-American. When there were protests in Pakistan, they'd only show the small crowds in the streets. They'd almost never show the folks on the sidelines who were booing these jokers. The news media, which is extremly left-leaning, have an agenda. It's called "blame America". Not "blame America first", either, but first last and always.
When you're not feeling well, you go to the doctor – you tell him the symptoms and he figures what is the probable cause and gives you medication. He doesn't criticize you and say you are praising your illness, he listens and tries to fix you.
Quite true. But what if you're giving the doctor inaccurate information. The diagnosis will be skewed, and the cure will be harmful - even destructive.
Patty Murray wasn't praising bin laden, she was trying to get us out of this horrible situation.
Actually, yes she was. I've heard her complete statement, in full context. And how are her words going to make things better? If anything, she's given more support to terrorist cells around the world. Her words are being touted on a variety of pro-Taliban and pro-Bin Laden websites. She make things just that much harder - and they weren't that easy to begin with. We're in a new kind of war. One with fewer rules and more hatred. This is a fight for our way of life, and our freedoms. If you want to roll over and surrender, that's fine. I, myself, would prefer to keep my freedoms. Freedoms, I'll remind you, that brave men and women have fought and died for.
Praising him is saying, "yes he's right, what a great guy."
Look at her words again. You don't even have to read between the lines to find that one.
Asking what it is that he does that makes him popular so that we might use it to help defeat him is intelligent.
What makes him popular is not the building of roads, homes, hospitals, schools, day care centres, etc. And I've yet to see any evidence that he's actually done these things. And if that were the case, the US would be a damn sight more popular than bin Laden. What makes him popular is the spreading of hatred, which some in this world are all to ready to assist him with. Including Patty bin Murray, it would appear.
Trying to kill that message and force her to step down is ignorant, foolhardy and dangerous
Whether you like to admit it or not, Patty bin Murray is aiding and abetting terrorism. She is doing that in a time of war. According to Article III, Section 3 of the US Constitution, that comes under the heading of "TREASON". Do you want to have a leader like that in this country, a Senator who swore to defend and uphold the Constitution, to still have a voice? With freedom of speech comes the responsibility to use it wisely and correctly. She has not done that.
I'd ask you to go back and review some of the posts I've made in the past. I'm not a Republican, nor a Libertarian. To set the record straight, I'm a Policy Development Advisor for the Official Monster Raving Loony Party in the UK. But I am conservative in my viewpoint. I've distorted NONE of Patty bin Murray's words. I didn't have to.
She convicted herself. With her own words.
Many thanks.
Doc Farmer
Doha, Qatar
Amen to that!
I never asked the station to defend the position. All I wanted to do was let them know that the commercial was unconvincing. Should I have contacted the union rather than the station? Probably, but contacting the station was more convenient for me. At any rate, if I had been the station person who took the call, I would have thanked the caller and then I (as the station person) would have contacted the union person who bought the ad and given them the feedback.
Please read my original post. Nowhere am I questioning either the right of the union to say what it said, or the right of the station to air the ad and make money. All I was saying was that their arguments carried no weight. My point in the post was that by voicing this opinion, I was accused of being anti-first amendment.
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